Peter Green Neck Pickup

[Spence]

Dave and Spence,

Burst Buckers are machine wound. Hand winders should get together and sue Gibson for misrepresenting Burst Buckers as hand wound or hand wound like. Unwind a Burst Bucker and make up your mind for yourself.

I'd rather not get sued by Gibson thanks. You guys live in a country that sues over anything. I've had people threaten to sue me on this forum so I'm not tangling with Gibson. Tell you what though, I'll ask them if they agree with you Jon because it would be wrong to market machine wound as hand wound.

[JGundry]

I'd rather not get sued by Gibson thanks. You guys live in a country that sues over anything. I've had people threaten to sue me on this forum so I'm not tangling with Gibson. Tell you what though, I'll ask them if they agree with you Jon because it would be wrong to market machine wound as hand wound.

Oh whoops, I must have misspoken. I meant all Burst Buckers ARE hand wound. In fact Gibson does it better than any of the hand winders out there. Unwind one for yourself and see. I'm glad I was able to make that correction. Now both of us will rest easier. I just need to get this post to a notary public so the correction is official. Spence make sure you let Gibson know that they make the best hand wound humbucker on the market.

[Spence]

Oh whoops, I must have misspoken. I meant all Burst Buckers ARE hand wound. In fact Gibson does it better than any of the hand winders out there. Unwind one for yourself and see. I'm glad I was able to make that correction. Now both of us will rest easier. I just need to get this post to a notary public so the correction is official. Spence make sure you let Gibson know that they make the best hand wound humbucker on the market.

I don't think they do make the best handwound humbuckers on the market and I'll stand up and say that out loud for all to hear. The point is, if they are lying about the handwinding thing then Trading Standards, at least in the UK, would have a field day with them.

So who's got the balls to call them out and prove what they say? Never mind unwinding them and stating your opinion, just get solid proof. I'd like to know the truth. The ball's in your court Jon.

[JGundry]

Here are some shots of Gibson winding pickups. They are supposed to be winding custom shop pickups here which would mean Burst Buckers. Also notice the color of the fake plain enamel wire that they now use. Tinted to look like plain enamel but really poly. I think Burst Buckers are the only Gibson pickups that get this color of wire but maybe I'm wrong on that one. I do know it takes a hand to switch on the machine but other than that I don't know where the hand winding process comes into play. Perhaps Gibson is referring to deliberately winding coils with a coil offset as being a more hand wound process? But that description is misleading in my book if that is what they are qualifying as a more hand wound pickup as people associate hand wound with hand guided wire. Let us know when you start your lawsuit Spence.

Edit: The time that this was shot would suggest PE but you can't tell for sure from the photo because the color of both the real PE and poly look the same in Burst Buckers.

I actually like the Burst Buckers I have. But I have seen no evidence to convince me they have hand guided wire. Whoops, I mean Gibson makes the best hand guided pickups around.

On a side note does anyone know who makes the Gibson Plain enamel color wire? Gibson used to use real plain enamel wire of the same color a few years ago. I have seen the same spools and same color wire on Seymour's Leesona 102. I don't think it is MWS wire.

[David Schwab]

I meant all Burst Buckers ARE hand wound. In fact Gibson does it better than any of the hand winders out there.

I have to find the quote I originally read not long ago... I might have posted it here too. It was from a Gibson web page. It said they were both machine wound, but the Burstbucker was wound to simulate a hand winding pattern which gave it a more raw tone.

[JGundry]

I have to find the quote I originally read not long ago... I might have posted it here too. It was from a Gibson web page. It said they were both machine wound, but the Burstbucker was wound to simulate a hand winding pattern which gave it a more raw tone.

I remember the quote. All I can say is that the Burst Buckers I have unwound had absolutely rock solid repeatable turn per layer counts. A hand winder would have to have a CNC arm to do that. I'm sure the old machine they are wound on adds something to the winding pattern but I would never call it anything approaching or even mimicking a hand wound pattern. It is a machine wound pattern which I actually think is a good choice if they are hoping to come close to a PAF.

[David Schwab]

I remember the quote. All I can say is that the Burst Buckers I have unwound had absolutely rock solid repeatable turn per layer counts. A hand winder would have to have a CNC arm to do that. I'm sure the old machine they are wound on adds something to the winding pattern but I would never call it anything approaching or even mimicking a hand wound pattern.

That makes sense.. they are machine wound, put they added some kind of pattern to make them more hand wound-ish. I guess not having the wire right next to the last wrap.

A big company like Gibson can't hand wind pickups... it would be too costly, except for custom shop orders.

[Spence]

Here are some shots of Gibson winding pickups. They are supposed to be winding custom shop pickups here which would mean Burst Buckers. Also notice the color of the fake plain enamel wire that they now use. Tinted to look like plain enamel but really poly. I think Burst Buckers are the only Gibson pickups that get this color of wire but maybe I'm wrong on that one. I do know it takes a hand to switch on the machine but other than that I don't know where the hand winding process comes into play. Perhaps Gibson is referring to deliberately winding coils with a coil offset as being a more hand wound process? But that description is misleading in my book if that is what they are qualifying as a more hand wound pickup as people associate hand wound with hand guided wire. Let us know when you start your lawsuit Spence.

Edit: The time that this was shot would suggest PE but you can't tell for sure from the photo because the color of both the real PE and poly look the same in Burst Buckers.

I actually like the Burst Buckers I have. But I have seen no evidence to convince me they have hand guided wire. Whoops, I mean Gibson makes the best hand guided pickups around.

On a side note does anyone know who makes the Gibson Plain enamel color wire? Gibson used to use real plain enamel wire of the same color a few years ago. I have seen the same spools and same color wire on Seymour's Leesona 102. I don't think it is MWS wire.

Just repaired some Classic 57's with that colour wire. I believe it's made by Elektrasola.

[JGundry]

Just repaired some Classic 57's with that colour wire. I believe it's made by Elektrasola.

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Elektrasola is what I thought as well. If you go to their site they offer poly but nothing they call plain enamel. It looks like they will tint poly any color you want. But I think they have some that has a non solderable coating. They just don't call it plain enamel.

[NightWinder]

COuld be....But if its pe its not from sola

[Telemachos]

Elektrisola does not produce PE. Just found this. Odd, isn't it? So many different information around.
The Secret of Peter Green?s Tone

[David Schwab]

Just repaired some Classic 57's with that colour wire. I believe it's made by Elektrasola.

I've read Gibson uses poly wire with black insulation.