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    5e3 kits. Which is the best?

    I'm in England and fancy building a 5e3. Looks like the choices are between Marsh, Mission and Torres. The US kits ( MArsh & Mission) are a bit cheaper than the Torres but by the time I pay for shipping and import duty there won't be much in it either way.

    Simple question, which is the best! I want to sound as close to the real thing as possible. I'll probably go for the Torres unles someone say they are awful, for the convenience of shipping really. But i'd be interested to know if anyone has A/B'd any of these kits.

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    Justa about to take the plunge myself. Not quite what you are after but check out Amp Maker - Guitar amp kits and valve / tube amplifier components. Seem very good value and get good reviews.Just athought.

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    Of the three amp kit companies you mention, I'd definitely buy the Mission.

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    Don't know anything about them, but the Tube Amp Doctor(Germany) has a 5E3 kit.

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    Don't know anything about them, but the Tube Amp Doctor(Germany) has a 5E3 kit.
    Based on the Mojo kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyl View Post
    Based on the Mojo kit.
    I just built a Mojo kit and it has very good quality components.

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    I Like The Mission!

    I have a friend who built one . Sounds Great!. Mike

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    I built two of the Mission 5E3s as well as one of their 5F4s....excellent quality components, easy to follow layout, and probably the best customer service going.

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    Hi Guy's

    I'm also in the UK and building a 5E3 in head form, I didn't consider a kit I thought I'd do it from scratch and very interesting what I've found out. All the parts are readily available if you search the net. Don't be too anal regarding carbon composite resistors and Sprague atom 16uF capacitors, close values should do, voltages and currents always have a tolerance anyway and rectifiers need experimentation so it seems.

    But what do I know I haven't completed mine yet!

    Try Phil at Bluebell Audio in Scotland he's a mine of information if you call him and has lotsa parts available.

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyl View Post
    Based on the Mojo kit.
    The Marsh kit is also based on the MOJO kit, although Marsh provides an instruction manual, and is less $ than the MOJO.

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    if your living in the UK, check allparts UK.
    They have MOJO KITS, you won't pay import taxes and shipment was low.

    components are fine but you should consider another speaker and the NOS rectifier!

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    Mission is the only way to go and that's no lie !!

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    Mission is the way

    My first amp build was a Mission 5e3, That was 3 years ago. The amp still amazes me every time I play it. Nothing but quality parts, you will not be disappointed.

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    I had very good results with mission

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amp Kat View Post
    Mission is the only way to go and that's no lie !!
    If you're not sourcing your own parts, get a Mission kit. Bruce does good stuff and is a pleasure to deal with (and all I bought was a PT clamp and a Pilot Lamp wrench).

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    Let me add my vote for the Mission kit. Great quality and support from Bruce. I added NOS tubes and a vintage Jensen P12Q speaker to mine and it's simply great.

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    I'd stay the hell away from anything involving Torres.

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    I would have to say the Trinity Amps Deluxe. Their customer service is top notch and their kits are top quality.

    Welcome to Trinity Amps

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    Ditto on Torres, hack-central.

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    I bought a mission and everything is top notch, Bruce is da man

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    I used weber. I was a bit concerned about some people's comments on the parts. I had a few minor problems some parts
    1) filter cap was bad - I replaced it.
    2) pilot light needed a minor repair which I did. I since upgradedreplaced the pilot light with the fender style. I would recommend that you just order that upgrade when you order their kit (if you order one).
    3) Also, the tube sockets did not fit tightly within the mounting bracket. THe nylon spacers were too tall... I dealt with that easy enough).

    All in all, these were minor problems and I have provided feedback to weber.

    I do not have expereince with the other kits. But my amp is working great. The quality of the chassis was great, the cabinet was great.

    Aside from those minor problem I listed above... so far so good.

    Regarding the ongoing durability of the electronics components... I will find that out over time.

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    I am learning. My posts should not be considered as expert advice or suggestions for you to implement... on the contrary, I am looking for expert advice!

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    I think you'd be very happy with the Mission Amps 5E3.

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    Agree that Phil at Bluebell in Scotland is the best UK source for transformers etc - a very nice helpful guy to deal with.
    For regular components resistors/caps, Farnell can't be beaten, as there's a good range (inc carbon comp resistors) and no additional P&P.
    But if you're wanting to build a whole amp from scratch, you'll be wanting chassis, cab etc, so a complete kit is the best option.
    If cost is not a problem, then Mission would be safest option, as there are so many good reports of how well engineered the kit is and how customer focussed the support is.
    But a weber kit is so much cheaper, the quality is fine except for the transformers, and the speakers have got such a good reputation. So if you've got reasonable mechanical fitting skills, and you don't mind it being a project rather than a complete solution, I'd order the weber kit with the 'no transformers' option. Then include heyboer transformers from weber on the same order, or order hammond transformers from bluebell (with tax and importers fees, the cost will be about the same).

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    I just completed a Mojo kit-quality components and true to the original design. I was going to build the Weber and upgrade some components, but Mojo had their kits on sale for about $100 more than the Weber and no need to upgrade. The Mojo comes with the correct 12AY7 in v1 and a glass rectifier whereas the Weber has a 12AX7 in v1 and a copper cap rectifier. Still, if the Mojo had'nt been on sale I would have went with the Weber- for the $ they're hard to beat. I believe Mission uses Mojo cabs and chassis in some of his kits and Marsh is also based on the Mojo kit. No instructions with the Mojo other than a schematic and layout but lots of good build info on the Weber forum. This was my first build and I was fortunate enough to have the amp fire right up and it sounds great-can't wait to experiment with some NOS tubes and speakers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-LUXE View Post
    I... I believe Mission uses Mojo cabs and chassis in some of his kits and Marsh is also based on the Mojo kit. No instructions with the Mojo other than a schematic and layout...
    Nope, not quite correct.
    Although I support MOJO kit builders because the owners of MOJO are friends of mine, the only MOJO product I use is the 5E3 cabinet with a couple minor custom tweaks... Victoria and I (maybe another like Mike Clark) used KC (the actual cabinet maker and now lead carpenter/manager in MOJO's cabinet shop) well before he moved his shop to MOJOs place and became one of their employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce / Mission Amps View Post
    Nope, not quite correct.
    Although I support MOJO kit builders because the owners of MOJO are friends of mine, the only MOJO product I use is the 5E3 cabinet with a couple minor custom tweaks... Victoria and I (maybe another like Mike Clark) used KC (the actual cabinet maker and now lead carpenter/manager in MOJO's cabinet shop) well before he moved his shop to MOJOs place and became one of their employees.
    the cabinet I got from bruce is very nice, whoever made it

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