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    5e3 builder from scratch

    Hey I'm going to follow
    My 5E3 Build From Scratch
    for my build. I want to salvage most of my parts.

    Could someone tell me if I were to scrap this westinghouse floor radio
    H-168 Ch= V-2118 Radio Westinghouse El. & Mfg. Co. - see als

    would that take care of the trannys and some other parts including the wood.

    the tubes needed for the 5e3 are not listed so I'm not sure if this would be a waste or not.

    thanks,
    Ernest

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    Chassis Plan printed out and adhered to aluminum sheets (old street sign)

    http://music-electronics-forum.com/a...3-template.pdf
    via My 5E3 Build From Scratch incase you missed it....

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    Couldn't view the schematic unless I joined RadioMuseum. I looked at an ebay auction for an H161 which looks similar. That radio has the OT mounted on the speaker, couldn't read the tube chart. I'm not in favor of destroying the radio to build a guitar amp. The power amp in that radio is probably not more than 5 watts. What tubes does your radio use?

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    it lists the valves under the picture but I have already passed on that idea. It was a local craigslist ad, went and looked at it and the wood was veneer anyways so I'm bidding on a auction for an old 6v6 amp.

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    I was able to snatch this up.

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    6V6 Tube Amplifier
    comes with tubes
    2- 6V6, 1- 5Y3 and 1- 12AX7

    score

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    Boards ripped to size, now I'm getting some help from a friend with the dove tail jig and router for the edges.
    I'll hopefully get some pics of his projects which include a 5e3, a champ, and a reverb unit made from scratch.

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    nice dovetail joints

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    the following are pics of the a friend of mine, PJ's builds. He helped me with the dovetail and my safety for how I'm going to wire this thing.

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    and a reverb unit. all built from salvage parts, old amps and such.

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    I'm confused on how to determine what Ohm speaker to use with this transformer that came with my parts amp. How do you tell?


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    The chassis I'm using parts from comes from an old Ampro Projector. I can find old schematics for Ampro Projectors but none so far that list 2-6v6, 1-5y3, and 12ax7.

    a google search on ampro projector images turns up the specs for a model Stylist 16.
    Ampro Stylist 16

    another stylist 16 manual with schematic
    http://static.cineinformation.org/wp...ice-Manual.pdf

    Lists two 6v6 tubes but a cant find any info of speaker
    http://www.acofs.org.au/part_4_files/Ampro/User-XA.PDF

    The only reference to speaker I can find is 8 ohm in these manuals....is that my answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernest View Post
    I'm confused on how to determine what Ohm speaker to use with this transformer that came with my parts amp. How do you tell?...
    Usually I check unknown OTs by running a 1V Ac signal through and check the turns ratio. That will let you know for what speaker the OT was intended for and give you pointers as to how you can use it. Be careful, don't shock yourself. Search for testing unknown output transformers e.g.:
    Finding Unknown Values for Output Transformers
    The other thing I would want to be sure about is: do I have a single ended or a push pull transformer? Pretty sure you have a push pull, but SE OTs with parallel output tubes are not unknown.
    Hope this points you a bit in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overtone View Post
    Usually I check unknown OTs by running a 1V Ac signal through and check the turns ratio. That will let you know for what speaker the OT was intended for and give you pointers as to how you can use it.
    The other thing I would want to be sure about is: do I have a single ended or a push pull transformer? Pretty sure you have a push pull, but SE OTs with parallel output tubes are not unknown.
    Hope this points you a bit in the right direction.
    Yes, best answer I've gotten so far. not sure what any of it means yet but a definite starting point.

    thanks!

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    He just means, put a small AC voltage into the secondary winding... measure across the full primary winding ... divide the small number into the big number... take that new number and square it...
    Then multiply that sq'd number by the speaker load impedance (4 ohm, 8ohm etc) and you have the primary impedance.
    EX:
    6vac into the secondary wires... measure the primary wires at say 180vac. Oh and that will knock you on your ass.
    180v divided by 6v = 30 a 30:1 voltage ratio
    30^2 or 30x30 = 900
    900 x 8 ohm speaker = 7200 ohms
    900 x 4 ohm speaker = 3600 ohms

    etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce / Mission Amps View Post
    He just means, put a small AC voltage into the secondary winding... measure across the full primary winding ... divide the small number into the big number... take that new number and square it...
    Then multiply that sq'd number by the speaker load impedance (4 ohm, 8ohm etc) and you have the primary impedance.
    EX:
    6vac into the secondary wires... measure the primary wires at say 180vac. Oh and that will knock you on your ass.
    180v divided by 6v = 30 a 30:1 voltage ratio
    30^2 or 30x30 = 900
    900 x 8 ohm speaker = 7200 ohms
    900 x 4 ohm speaker = 3600 ohms

    etc
    cool thanks man, I also have it narrowed down by finding someone online using the same ampro amp as his setup.
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/am...intage-826548/

    without a doubt he confirmed that his which looks damned identical, came with a 16 ohm speaker.

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    cabinet

    I fit some tan naugahyde to my cabinet over the weekend. 3m super 77 adhesive. I run a graphics dept for a print shop so I have access to the adhesive as well as full run of the maintenence shop where I'm building the chassis. I think it turned out great.

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    so, decided on a speaker. I didn't have a lot to spend on a speaker at least not right now. I've already given a big chunk to the resistors, caps, knobs, jacks, etc....so I had to save on the speaker...for now.
    so many options, AlNico/ceramic, watt, ohm, so I would love to have a celestion blue, tone tubby, or something like that, I almost went with an old organ speaker with square alnico mag. What I ended up with was very affordable, a celestion G12 that has a modified aluminum voice coil and Hemp cone. I like a bass and mid with early breakup so I hope I'll be happy with it.

    and a oxblood grill.

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    This chassis is kickin my ass. blew a hole through it with a welder so I'm going to have to make some sides and pop rivet them instead.



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    Hmm .. the eyelet circuit board appears to have the B+ rail grounded side on the wrong side of the board with respect to the chassis...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce / Mission Amps View Post
    Hmm .. the eyelet circuit board appears to have the B+ rail grounded side on the wrong side of the board with respect to the chassis...
    I don't have the board entirely wired yet. doing the best i can with the links below.

    thanks

    Parts list

    schematic #1

    schematic #2

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    #2 artwork:
    Doug might be doing that on purpose for some reason... other then just to be different (guess that's OK) I don't know why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce / Mission Amps View Post
    #2 artwork:
    Doug might be doing that on purpose for some reason... other then just to be different (guess that's OK) I don't know why.
    Bruce, I think I may have picked a board style that requires a bit more background knowledge than I have for my first project. I can read how the caps and resistors are populated to the board just fine but now I'm getting into how this wires into the input and output jacks and this was left a bit vague on Hoffmans schematic....I'm sure it's all on his site somewhere though.

    that and I'm using old trannys with extra wires that I don't know what to do with. for instance I have six wires coming out of my output tranny, yet I can only find three on all the schematics.

    Still trying to figure out where I star ground all of this as well. just pick a bolt on the chassis and connect all my grounds to it?

    two unaccounted wires on the PT as well, a brown one and a bare wire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernest View Post
    ....I'm sure it's all on his site somewhere though.
    just gota look...

    Instructions

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    cont...5e3 first build by Ernest - Hoffman Ampifiers Guitar Tube amp forum

    at Hoffman's site so I can wrap this up.

    thanks

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