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    UBUNTU 16.04 LTS Released

    Ubuntu releases its 16.04LTS (long term support) family of desktop operating systems.
    They are:
    Ubuntu-Unity
    Ubuntu-KDE
    Ubuntu-Gnome
    Ubuntu-Mate
    Ubuntu-XFCE
    Ubuntu-Studio
    Ubuntu-LXDE
    Ubuntu-Education
    Ubuntu-Server
    Ubuntu-Kylin (Chinese Release)
    Ubuntu-Mythbuntu
    There is a ubuntu for nearly everyone.
    16.04LTS will be supported for 5 years, and it is FREE!
    The leading OS for PC, tablet, phone and cloud | Ubuntu
    I run a hybrid Load, which I really like.
    I load Ubuntu Mate, then I add the XFCE Desktop.
    That makes it where you can log in with the Mate desktop, or with the XFCE desktop.
    By doing that, I get my XFCE desktop I like so much, with all the bells and whistles of the Mate OS Distro.
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    Yes, these LTS versions are the best solution for business application because they have full support for such a long time. Businesses don't like to experiment with minor changes in OS or front end. Most home Linux users try new versions as soon as they are available. They are so easy to download and install hobbyists and home users load lots of versions. Compared to the old days there are enough standards in hardware interfaces that all of the versions work with a wide variety of hardware vintages. Although you can run multiple OS if you have the memory you can use VMware that creates virtual machines running under Linux so you can load in different OS running at the same time. Really slick. That way you could be running a native secure Linux for your web surfing and Windows in virtual machines so you can copy data from one to another OS. yet keep the less secure Windows OS invisible to the web, but still use data collected and pasted from it into the Windows running in a Virtual Machine.

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    I tried the VM, and I prefer just linux in multi-boot scenario.
    I always have at least 2 bootable linux distros in grub.
    If you have a problem with one distro, just boot to the other to make your repairs. EZ-PZ.
    I've had as many as 7 bootable distros, but it is time consuming to keep them all updated.
    Now I either load 2 or 3.
    No Windoz here, I'll leave that to the rest of the group.
    Here's a screenshot of my 16.04 Mate/XFCE Load.
    The small toolbar on the left is set to auto hide.
    I have it visible for the picture.
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    With this very active thread being almost 3 1/2 years I decided to make it a sticky to go along with the new stickies for other OS's... although it has never been far from the top of the thread list.

    I still have not made the plunge into Linux myself... yes, I am chicken!

    Steve Ahola

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    With this very active thread being almost 3 1/2 years I decided to make it a sticky to go along with the new stickies for other OS's... although it has never been far from the top of the thread list.

    I still have not made the plunge into Linux myself... yes, I am chicken!

    Steve Ahola
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    Chic, Chic, Chic, Chic, Chicken!

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    This looks like a promising way to dip your feet in Linux. Here are two listings from one seller in MD who refurbishes off-lease computers which come with Linux Mint installed. The first one (small frame factor) sells for $45 w/ free shipping, the other one (a more powerful horizontal desktop unit) sells for the same price but has a $24.21 shipping charge.

    The seller has had almost 15k sales with 99.8% positive feedback. I have no vested interested in these listing but am thinking of buying one (or both to get 6 months same as cash from PayPal Credit for purchases over $99.)

    BTW there are many reputable sellers of refurbished off-lease computers which I have found to be a better deal than buying new, assuming you don't mind buying older models (the Lenovo M58 series was first sold in 2009.)

    Lenovo ThinkCentre M58p SFF PC C2D E8400 3GHz 2GB 80GB Linux Mint - DVDRW (10+ units available) $45 w/ free shipping

    “Off lease unit. Original hard drive was destroyed. We've installed a 80GB with Linux Mint on it.”






    Lenovo ThinkCentre M58p SFF PC C2D E8400 3GHz 2GB 80GB Linux Mint DVDRW | eBay

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    Lenovo ThinkCentre M58p Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz 4GB RAM 160GB HDD Linux Mint (7 units available) $44.99 + $24.21 s/h

    “PCs are in great condition. Some may show minor scratching from previous use. One PC has a broken retaining clip on the PCIe slot. Original hard drives were destroyed and replaced with 160GB HDDs with Linux Mint pre-installed. Sale is for PC only. Tested for full functions, R2/Ready for reuse.”







    Lenovo ThinkCentre M58p Core 2 Duo E8400 3 00GHz 4GB RAM 160GB HDD Linux Mint | eBay


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    P.S. Seller has many other refurbished off-lease computers for sale. I listed this one because of the reviews. The desktop version has a lot more expansion options and 4GB RAM. I believe that for either version you could replace the optical drive with a hard drive and when actually needed use an external USB drive. They both come with eSATA ports but in the SFF version the port is internal with no means of egress unless you want to drill and/or nibble a hole.

    Lenovo ThinkCentre M58p Eco Ultra Small Review & Rating | PCMag.com

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    Chic, Chic, Chic, Chic, Chicken!
    Funny that I hadn't read your reply when I composed Post #111 suggesting the refurbished off-lease computers with Linux Mint pre-installed. Ah, buck buck!

    BTW it was installing Linux on a working Windows box that scared me, not learning a new OS.

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    The Refurbs sound like a great idea.
    Linux is a little intimidating at first.
    Steve, I bet you would have no problems.

    I've been on Linux so long now, Windows sounds intimidating.
    It's all what you get used to.
    Sorry about the chicken, I couldn't resist!
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    Ubuntu 16.04 Long Term Release, seems to be about the most stable version yet.
    I like it!
    You can access any of the Ubuntu family here.
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    The first maintenance release of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is out.
    It is 16.04.01, with new drivers, and all the updates, preinstalled.
    Distribution Release: Ubuntu 16.04.1 (DistroWatch.com News)
    I used to run Mint, which is repackaged Ubuntu.
    Now I only run Ubuntu.
    IMO Mint got too big, and too Bloated.
    I either run Xubuntu, or Ubuntu Mate, with the XFCE4 desktop installed.
    It is very stable and very fast.
    And, again I'll tell you, It's Free!
    What's not to like?
    YMMV,
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    I noticed the same thing with Mint. It is a slick polished package but has grown so it needs more resources. I need to set up another simple reliable office machine and the only stumbling block is no good multifunction printer/scanner drivers for my Panasonic printer/copier/scanner. Printer drivers are fine but not for integrating the scan functions which I need. All other hardware, on all my installs have been painless and automatic on Ubuntu. Heck I even like the Unity interface. It still surprises me every time a new version or new computer it tossed together with sometimes obscure hardware, the install finds drivers for everything. Windows 10 was pretty good for that finally, about 8 years behind Ubuntu.

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    I use the Ubuntu basic document scanner all the time.
    As far as printer drivers, I use the resident drivers, and I use the printer and scanner wifi.
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    Ubuntu, keeps upgrading, and is keeping up with hardware, and programs.
    I run Ubuntu Mate. This one.
    http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09589
    It's easy to load, runs fast, it's FREE, plus, I always forget to mention, it's Linux, & it's fun!
    Check it out!
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    When a new ubuntu distro is added to a computer, you start with a welcome page.
    On the welcome page is a feature tab.
    I usually just delete the welcome page and keep going.
    This time I read the feature tab, and read this screenshot.
    Found it interesting, and you might as well, it is about linux security.
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    Ubuntu 17.04 desktop came out today.
    17.04 is year and month of issue.
    Here are a few screenshots of my new load I installed this morning.
    Still getting all my personal prefs set.
    So far Ubuntu 17.04 seems to be rock solid!
    Ubuntu is Free.
    It being free, allows me to run the newest, latest software, with all available security updates, at no expense.
    Give it a try!
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    I know absolutely zero about this. I see the screen saver picture, the other screens don't mean anything to me. This takes the place of ...Windows?

    If I were to put it on my computer, would my Adobe just up and run when I launch it? Will my TurboTax just up and run? CHrome? or would I have to go through a bunch of tweaking and setting interrupts or whatever?

    I mostly open pdf or GIF/JIF, picture files. Occasionally I get something that opens in an IE page, would that work? I guess my basic question is this: If I buy a computer with Windows and IE, I can turn it on and everything works. If I installed your program, what - if anything - would change in that formula?

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    If you have to have windows programs, you probably need to stay on windows.
    Linux is an alternative to Windows, and uses its own programs.
    I use a linux pdf viewer similar to adobe, but not adobe.
    Depending on what your computer learning curve is?
    If you want to try a live version of linux?
    You can run it from a DVD, or from a memory stick, loaded with ubuntu.
    This wouldn't effect your current windows load.
    Just turn off and reboot into windows.
    Linux isn't for everyone, but I like it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpALe245EOQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrJgeuloNVU
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...buntu+live+usb
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    Thanks, it probably isn't for me either, but I am trying to understand it. My curve is very slow.

    If there was an alternate pdf fiewer that worked the same as Adobe, great, good enough. I know the default pdf viewer in Chrome sucks terribly.

    So for example, I could not run Turbo Tax on it? Does Pro Tools support it?

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    I don't know anything about turbo tax.
    My wife keeps up with the tax stuff all year, and we pay the lady down the street to do our taxes.
    I take the money I save on windows software and pay her!
    She's cheap.
    I thought you could just do the taxes with turbo, or others online?
    If you were nearby, I would give you a demo, picture worth a thousand words.
    I have been windows free, for nearly 5 years now.
    Wouldn't know how to start using it again, or want to.
    I take that back, I've run 8.1, and win 10, just long enough to get it off the hard drive.
    What I remember most about it, is how slow it runs.
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    Here's a link to distrowatch.
    DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.
    It keeps up with all the current linux, goings on!
    It's the Open Source Hang out!
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    Yup the PDF viewer in my Linux Mint 17 is great!! For me I use Linux to surf the web and forget about being bogged down by windows issues. I turn on the machine, type password, and then 20-30 seconds later desktop shows up (already connected to Internet), fast!! I never have any REAL issues any more since switching to Linux for 2 Years now. I think the best idea is to have your safe secure Windows install on a computer that you do taxes on and that kind of stuff. Actually I have a computer that is Windows for business stuff then I have another one that runs barely any processes as audio workstation that does not connect to the Internet. Audacity works rather well on Linux and I have processed video more successfully than on my other windows box. Most major business software is not being written for Linux/Ubuntu.

    I guess my main point here is that the Linux versions are getting really good results just straight out of the box. Actually I had more problems with windows than Linux with right out of the box installs.

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    Well I was using TurboTax more as a metaphore for all the regular commercial software I have. Apparently I need to get software specifically designed for Ubuntu then.

    As to tax specifically, yes, you can geet basic short form taxes done free in many placces, but I have to file schedule C and other business forms, which are not included in those. I used to file a partnership return, schedule K and all that, and I did it on paper. Software is SOOOO much better. It wasn't "hard" by hand, it is just a lot of shuffling. The software knows what all you have to file, so I don't have one of those "Oh crap, I need a 2106" moments.

    I never understood the griping about Windows or some browsers. To me, they all open up and get me my email, process my words, and get me here. And then...Windows 10 happened. Boy was it a mistake to let that download itself.

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    So I take it that you cannot run Microsoft office programs or Microsoft Project on Linux. Is that correct? I'm not asking because they are great programs but because some of us need to be compatible with the mainstream business software in order to collaborate with others. I know about open office. It works well on it's own and is mostly compatible. However, it you try to work in a situation that switches back and forth between open office and Microsoft office then the file gets scrambled and the result does not produce a clean final product.

    What about running programs such as Duncan's amp tools under Linux? And I too need to run programs such as turbotax, Adobe Photoshop Elements, video editors etc. Do such programs run under Linux?

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    Linux is more of a self contained world.
    When you load Ubuntu, you get a office suite called libreoffice.
    You usually get firefox or chromium browsers.
    It comes preloaded with lots of tools, Viewers, players, & accessories, etc.
    Most everything else you may want to download, is on Ubuntu Repositories.
    The Repositories are Ubuntu's server, or cloud, and can be accessed by a gui (graphical user Interface).
    Or if you know what program you need, you can do it by command line.
    I usually install programs by command line, it is quicker.
    Below is a pic of both.
    Everything I use is accessible somewhere for free.
    I pretty much have a linux way of doing anything I wanted to do with windows.

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    I do linux only.
    Some guys do dual boot, both linux and windows on the same Hard drive.
    Some do Virtual Machine, for either linux or windows.
    My wifes laptop, it came with windows 10.
    I left 10 on it, and cleared space for ubuntu, and it is now dual boot.
    Though it has windows capability, we never boot it up to windows.
    Another option that I used to do when I was a travel comm tech?
    I carried a linux OS on a thumbdrive, or Memory stick.
    I would boot into windows, for work and linux thumbdrive for personal email and such.
    My answer to everything now that I'm retired, is to buy another cheap laptop.
    We have 4 laptops.
    All in the $200-400 range.
    Put linux on a laptop, and do your nightime surfing on that.
    On my laptops, I do dual boot linux.
    I keep one linux just for my stock and banking stuff.
    Then I boot to another linux when I am all over the web doing everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Phillips View Post
    What about running programs such as Duncan's amp tools under Linux? And I too need to run programs such as turbotax, Adobe Photoshop Elements, video editors etc. Do such programs run under Linux?
    I can and do run Photoshop, Tone Stack Calc, Express PCB, Express Sch, PSU Designer, and LTSpice IV under WINE. Not sure about Duncan's amp tools but heck I would try it out. Lots of windows stuff runs just fine with WINE installed. I would try out Turbo Tax but I choose to separate my computers from business and pleasure. I now prefer Gimp to Photoshop and really believe in the programs for Linux.

    Another point. When I have a 192k 32bit wave audio file and I try to play it on a basic install of windows it just errors out. To make that work I need a sound card and software to allow windows to play such files of that format. In my Linux Mint install, right out of the box, it plays them all with some sort of built in codec or something. I was amazed the first time!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGonz78 View Post
    I can and do run Photoshop, Tone Stack Calc, Express PCB, Express Sch, PSU Designer, and LTSpice IV under WINE. Not sure about Duncan's amp tools but heck I would try it out. Lots of windows stuff runs just fine with WINE installed. I would try out Turbo Tax but I choose to separate my computers from business and pleasure. I now prefer Gimp to Photoshop and really believe in the programs for Linux.
    Another point. When I have a 192k 32bit wave audio file and I try to play it on a basic install of windows it just errors out. To make that work I need a sound card and software to allow windows to play such files of that format. In my Linux Mint install, right out of the box, it plays them all with some sort of built in codec or something. I was amazed the first time!!
    That's pretty good compatibility. I'll keep learning about Linux possibilities. I've got the hardware to experiment on but I also have a large backlog on my general "To do" list.
    Thanks for the detailed info.

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    This is interesting. I had Ubuntu a few years ago on a laptop that was set up by a friend of mine down the street who is a genius programmer. I found it worked really well although I didn't do much beyond using the web. Never had any trouble with viruses or anything like that. One thing that can be a problem is hardware compatibility; in the time I had it I got a new printer and a USB turntable. Both came with drivers for Mac and Windows only. My friend was able to have them working within a few minutes after I had struggled for a couple of hours. Later he moved to New York and it soon became evident that I didn't have the skills to carry on with it myself, so I switched to this old Macbook. I think Ubuntu is a good system, in fact I preferred many aspects of it. The fact that you can install it on cheap PC's is a big bonus. It seems to me though that it's more of an enthusiast thing that you need to have the skills and interest to invest in it. Much like tube amps or old cars or whatever else. I would certainly try it again in the future; I might need some help though.

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    That describes my fears: it probably works just fine, but it requires a certain level of computer savvy to live with. Some people enjoy dealing with it, I just want the computer to be a box that does what I want without me telling it anything. I am lost as soon as someone says, "Oh, all you have to do is reboot your DLL file etc etc..."


    On the other hand, when people ask about buying an oscilloscope or something, I usually tell them that only experience can tell you what you really want in one. SO start with most any scope, and use it to find out what scopes do, THEN worry about the nuances. I guess the thing to do woul;d be load it onto a computer and mess with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Ubuntu, keeps upgrading, and is keeping up with hardware, and programs.
    I run Ubuntu Mate. This one.
    Distribution Release: Ubuntu MATE 16.10 (DistroWatch.com News)
    It's easy to load, runs fast, it's FREE, plus, I always forget to mention, it's Linux, & it's fun!
    Check it out!
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    The trouble I have with Linux is that there's too much choice. In that link there are 100 distributions down the right side and a stack more down the left side so how can anyone know which to chose?

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    If you are new to linux?
    I would stick with Mint or Ubuntu.
    They are by far the easiest to use, and load.
    Mint is probably the best choice to start with for Linux Newbies.
    I used Mint for a couple of years.
    I now prefer the different flavors of Ubuntu.
    There are several flavors of Ubuntu, and the difference is the desktop used.
    Mint and Ubuntu have the best installer, and best hardware support.
    There are many youtube vids on loading ubuntu, or mint.
    Give it a try!
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    Thanks, I'll do that. I tried Ubunto years ago when it was small enough to fit on a CD. I'll put it on a flash drive this time. Now I just have to remember how to access the BIOS to change the boot order.

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    F2, at boot up, works on most computers.
    Or try F12 at power up with usb drive plugged in, then choose boot from usb.
    However they all have their own tricks.
    This mint XFCE is a good choice if you like a XP, or Win98 looking desktop?
    http://www.linuxmint.de/get/dc071404...492269245/1338
    GL,
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    If your PC hase 8GB, you should install VirtualBox and run Ubuntu inside that. Then you don't have to deal with the hassle of re-booting to switch. It's also easy to set up shared directories that both Windows and the VirtualBox can see.

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    The only problem I see with running Ubuntu VB, is you're still stuck with slow Windoz as your main OS.
    Maybe loading Ubuntu as main OS, and running Win XP, or Win7 as Virtual Machine would be a viable option.
    I'll stick to multi-boot Linux only. YMMV
    Below is my Hard drive, that shows 4 bootable linux Distros.
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