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    I have just experimented with Virtualbox, and it works pretty slick.
    Booted into Ubuntu, I installed Virtualbox, then installed Mint 18.1 into the VB.
    Below is a screenshot of it.
    The big screen is Ubuntu, the window in the middle is the Virtualbox with Mint 18.1 loaded in it.
    You can do the same thing as mentioned, put VB linux on windows, or put VB windows on linux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    The only problem I see with running Ubuntu VB, is you're still stuck with slow Windoz as your main OS.
    I have a 3.4GHz Core i7 and 24GB of RAM, and you should too! ;-)

    Seriously, any Win 10 machine with 4GB of RAM runs pretty well, IME. A low end Win10 laptop might be a less-than-exciting virtual machine host, but it works. And since you can't get much serious music production SW for Linux I'll be sticking with real Win10 & virtual Linux for the forseeable future.

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    Since music is what you do that is great. I doubt there are many here with 24gb ram.
    I have 12 gb on this lenovo, lap.
    I have 3 fairly new laptops, and I couldn't get windoz off fast enough.
    Linux does everything I need.
    Also a reminder, this is a linux thread, not a Bill Gates thread!
    GL,
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Also a reminder, this is a linux thread, not a Bill Gates thread!
    Sorry about the distraction, but I do use Linux all the time - I just prefer doing it in a VM.

    Changing the subject: Why do you use more than one distro? Is there something important that Ubuntu can't do?

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    You're fine,
    I'm retired, and I'm a distro hopper.
    I've probably tried 30 different distros in recent years.
    I used Mint for a while, cause I absolutely hate the Ubuntu Unity backwards desktop.
    Now I load XFCE4 desktop on whatever linux platform I use.
    On my Laptops, Ubuntu Mate is the best running platform I've found, but I load the XFCE4 desktop on them.

    The reason IMO for the interest here with linux, is so many would love to leave their Win 8.1, or win 10 behind.
    If you run linux VM, then you are stuck with all the Win software, AV, Spyware, Office dilemmas so many want to leave behind.
    With VB VM, I spend too much switching, and donking with the computer, instead of using it.
    Also file sharing has to be setup, to look between the OS, and the VB.
    Which is all fine, just not for me.

    I like to run multi-boot, cause it just gives more options.
    I have Partition 2 setup with 16.10, I use it for stock, banking and other secure stuff, I leave this one alone mostly.
    I use the other distros for everything else. I'm always busy adding different distros, and changing kernels.
    That's what I like to do, and I like beating on Linux!
    Oh Yea, It's free, and IMO it's fun!

    I usually report here, everytime Ubuntu has an upgrade like the new release of 17.04
    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I used Mint for a while, cause I absolutely hate the Ubuntu Unity backwards desktop.
    Seems to me that you were not alone there T. LOL
    Why Ubuntu dumping Unity is a good thing | PCWorld

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    Got all four laptops in the house updated from Ubuntu 16.10 to 17.04.
    So far it seems to be great desktop software.
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    Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 1 is now out, and available for download.
    Beta 1 is a prelude to the Official version, that will be out in October.
    Development Release: Kubuntu 17.10 Beta 1 (DistroWatch.com News)
    It comes in many desktop flavors, and runs on the latest 4.12 Kernel. (the kernel, contains the latest hardware drivers)
    I downloaded the 17.10 beta 1 Mate version.
    Here's my desktop screenshot.
    A very fast linux OS.
    Give it a shot. It's FREEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I downloaded the 17.10 beta 1 Mate version.
    At home, I've been Linux-only since 2001. Sixteen years now. Currently using Xubuntu, which I was driven to because both KDE and Gnome became unusable as far as I was concerned.

    I've never tried Mate, will have to test it out some day. Meantime, XFCE / Xubuntu does the job for me.

    I have to use Windows at work, and, most of the time, it feels like taking a couple of steps backwards. Worst of all is the constant worry - will I get a worm? A virus? Ransomware?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnobuddy View Post
    At home, I've been Linux-only since 2001. Sixteen years now. Currently using Xubuntu, which I was driven to because both KDE and Gnome became unusable as far as I was concerned.

    I've never tried Mate, will have to test it out some day. Meantime, XFCE / Xubuntu does the job for me.
    I personally think that there could be a downward trend with the lighter weight legacy driver type available varieties of ubuntu or in my case linux mint XFCE. My point being that I have a computer in my work shop that has pretty dated hardware, 2003-2004, which was running Linux Mint XFCE without a hitch for about 2 years. Then there was this software update, about 3 months ago, that rendered the computer almost completely useless. So all of a sudden it cannot run software manager from GUI or command line and no internet etc... I installed it again and from the image file the installation works flawless. Then update some stuff and it all fooked up again. I installed 4 other versions of XFCE as well as others and it was as if the new updates did not like my hardware. I mean I ran a full memory test on RAM with no issues. I swapped out for 3 different hard drives with no change. I currently have Mint 17.1 XFCE installed on that computer and it works great if you just don't run the newest kernel update.

    EDIT: Note that all the flavors of XFCE I tried were all tied in to Ubuntu kernels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGonz78 View Post
    Then update some stuff and it all fooked up again.
    And a very frustrating experience it is, when an update bjorks your system.

    I have had that happen at least once with with every operating system I've used on a PC - Windows, OSX, Linux, and FreeBSD. Nothing is perfect, such is life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnobuddy View Post
    At home, I've been Linux-only since 2001. Sixteen years now. Currently using Xubuntu, which I was driven to because both KDE and Gnome became unusable as far as I was concerned.

    I've never tried Mate, will have to test it out some day. Meantime, XFCE / Xubuntu does the job for me.

    I have to use Windows at work, and, most of the time, it feels like taking a couple of steps backwards. Worst of all is the constant worry - will I get a worm? A virus? Ransomware?

    -Gnobuddy
    Actually my flavor of linux, is Mate/XFCE.
    I install U-Mate, then I install XFCE4, XFCE4-Goodies, and XFWM4-themes, from the repositories.
    That gives the option of running either of two desktops, mate, or XFCE.
    U-mate has a great base, but I too, prefer the XFCE desktop.
    My laptops like the Mate/X, better than the Xubuntu alone.
    I've been Linux only for 5 years now.
    Ran it off and on since about 1999.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGonz78 View Post
    I personally think that there could be a downward trend with the lighter weight legacy driver type available varieties of ubuntu or in my case linux mint XFCE. My point being that I have a computer in my work shop that has pretty dated hardware, 2003-2004, which was running Linux Mint XFCE without a hitch for about 2 years. Then there was this software update, about 3 months ago, that rendered the computer almost completely useless. So all of a sudden it cannot run software manager from GUI or command line and no internet etc... I installed it again and from the image file the installation works flawless. Then update some stuff and it all fooked up again. I installed 4 other versions of XFCE as well as others and it was as if the new updates did not like my hardware. I mean I ran a full memory test on RAM with no issues. I swapped out for 3 different hard drives with no change. I currently have Mint 17.1 XFCE installed on that computer and it works great if you just don't run the newest kernel update.

    EDIT: Note that all the flavors of XFCE I tried were all tied in to Ubuntu kernels.
    Hi DrGonz:
    It is probably a driver issue, like you said.
    Maybe try Xubuntu, or maybe mate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnobuddy View Post
    And a very frustrating experience it is, when an update bjorks your system.

    I have had that happen at least once with with every operating system I've used on a PC - Windows, OSX, Linux, and FreeBSD. Nothing is perfect, such is life!

    -Gnobuddy
    Knowing absolutely nothing about Linux I would venture to guess that recovering from an update that goes south is much easier with Linux than with Windows or the various Apple operating systems.
    I've restored disk images on Windows machines but it is a real hassle restoring all of your data files newer than the image. Probably easier to restore the disk image to a fresh hd and copy files from the old hd as needed. As Terry recently pointed out it works better to access files on an old Windows boot drive using Linux!

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    With my dual boot machines, just switch to the one that is working, and reload the other one.
    Lots of times it is faster to load a new distro, than the hassle of fixing it.
    Keeping all the personal data on a separate home, or storage partition.
    If you want to load a ubuntu that is fully updated, you can download and install a daily build.
    Run it on a SD stick, and if it works OK, load and run it. I do that off and on.
    Index of /ubuntu-mate/daily-live
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    Knowing absolutely nothing about Linux I would venture to guess that recovering from an update that goes south is much easier with Linux than with Windows or the various Apple operating systems.
    It has been, in my experience. I've never had the actual filesystem go south, so, worst case, recovering files was usually as simple as booting from a Linux live-CD, and copying the data onto another hard drive.

    I usually create a separate hard-disk partition just for user data, and most of the time, you can just re-install Linux onto the borked machine, telling the installer NOT to use that user data partition. After the new install is complete, I would edit a couple of configuration files, so that the fresh new Linux install would once again use that same old data partition. Presto, all your data is back!

    One of the nice things about Linux is that you get all these great networking tools, free. When I get a new computer, I set the old one up as my data backup, and use a couple of network programs called rsync and ssh to copy my data over the network regularly, so I have a backup that's never more than a few days old on the old PC. That's saved my bacon a couple of times when a hard-drive failed suddenly.

    The one thing I never had (and still don't have) is an off-site backup. I would be in trouble if the Fraser river flooded and my house went under water for a few days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    As Terry recently pointed out it works better to access files on an old Windows boot drive using Linux!
    It does indeed, and I've done that a number of times during the days when my wife still had a Windows computer in the house.

    But the most satisfying case of that happening was when I got a phone call from a very upset woman, who turned out to be the wife of one of my neighbours co-workers. Her Windows PC had died, would not boot, taking with it *all* the photographs she'd ever taken of her daughter, from small child to young teenager. And she had no backup.

    I was able to rescue all of her data with a Linux live CD, and copy it onto a few DVD-Rs (this was a few years ago, gigantic USB thumb drives didn't exist yet). She and her husband were hugely relieved. Turned out her husband played in a Beatles tribute band, and they gave me and my wife free tickets to their next show. That was fun, but the best part was being able to give that nice couple back their photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnobuddy View Post
    But the most satisfying case of that happening was when I got a phone call from a very upset woman, who turned out to be the wife of one of my neighbours co-workers. Her Windows PC had died, would not boot, taking with it *all* the photographs she'd ever taken of her daughter, from small child to young teenager. And she had no backup.

    I was able to rescue all of her data with a Linux live CD, and copy it onto a few DVD-Rs (this was a few years ago, gigantic USB thumb drives didn't exist yet). She and her husband were hugely relieved. Turned out her husband played in a Beatles tribute band, and they gave me and my wife free tickets to their next show. That was fun, but the best part was being able to give that nice couple back their photos.
    Yup that is the greatest feeling when you save files on a crashed system. I have doing just that for many people since at least 2002. Back then I would run Knoppix as a live CD and 9 out of 10 times it was a breeze.

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    Ubuntu will drop the flagship desktop Unity, next month when Ubuntu 17.10 comes out.
    Guys and Gals either loved Unity or hated it, I was in the hated it group.
    The New Ubuntu 17.10 will drop Unity, and adopt a version of the Gnome Desktop.
    It will have a similar look to unity, but have some key changes.
    No more Dash bar at the bottom, the new Ubuntu will have a Docking bar on the left.
    No more closing the windows on the upper left, now the window controls will be on the upper right like most desktops.
    I have it loaded on my HP test box, and here are some preview screenshots of the new `17.10 Ubuntu modified desktop.
    It seems to be pretty easy to use.
    Check it out!
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    I'm curious, big_teee, have you any knowledge in regards to the supplied driver package? In other words, is the OS installation able to find most drivers on it's own, or do you have to go hunting for them after the install?

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    The drivers are preloaded into the Kernel package.
    See screenshot, it shows the issue of 17.10 has a kernel of 4.12.0-13 generic.
    And, my default desktop is Mate 1.18.0.
    That is all the latestest Ubuntu software.
    To check drivers, I always run a new Distro live.
    You can either download and burn a DVR, or load it to a USB memory stick.
    With laptops, I always use the USB sticks.
    There are several different ways to make a bootable memory stick with windows.
    If you are interested in trying a live USB, I can help you dig into it.
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    https://itsfoss.com/create-live-usb-...tu-in-windows/
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    ...is the OS installation able to find most drivers on it's own, or do you have to go hunting for them after the install?
    It's been many years since I've had to manually install drivers for any built-in PC hardware. In my experience, Linux got really good at auto-finding and auto-installing drivers long before Windows did, and only recently has Windows caught up.

    As an example, many years ago I bought an HP laptop that came with Windows Vista. I found Vista utterly unusable, so I decided to wipe it and install Windows XP. Unfortunately, XP completely failed to identify much of the essential hardware on the laptop, including the built-in Nvidia graphics card, SATA hard drives, and even such basics as USB ports and motherboard audio. It took me several days of online research to find and manually download all the requisite XP drivers (at least half a dozen), and I ended up having to create my own Windows XP install CD, slip-streaming the necessary drivers onto it, so that the install CD would actually boot on that machine and "see" the SATA drives.

    After spending a week to get XP installed and working fully on that laptop (I needed Windows for one single piece of software that wasn't available on Linux), I went ahead with the plan to add Linux as well. In complete contrast to the Windows XP install, the Linux installation was as simple as popping in the install CD, booting the machine, and clicking through a few prompts. No fuss, no muss, no driver-hunting, and about half an hour after popping in the Linux CD, I had a fully functional Linux laptop.

    These days Windows 7 (corporate version, still used at my workplace, and still fully supported by MS) is pretty good about finding drivers as it installs, but this is a pretty recent phenomenon in the Windows world.

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    The reason that the linux drivers are easy to find is because linux distributions ship with bloated kernels that provide support for everything including the kitchen sink. On the one hand, having support for everything built into the kernel or kernel modules makes things easier for users, but the code bloat has the disadvantage of increasing the memory demands of the system. For decades (wow how time flies) I've been building my own lean kernels that remove support for devices that I don't have in my system.

    There are still some problems though -- Nvidia is a particular headache on Linux boxes because they won't allow access to their proprietary code, which forces you to build wrappers around what they do make available. The real problem with NVDA/Linux is that there's a guy named Terrence who is in charge of linux support, and he's too lazy to keep the code updated as compilers change. The result is that as the rest of the world moves onto more modern compilers they can't build the Nvidia drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    The reason that the linux drivers are easy to find is because linux distributions ship with bloated kernels that provide support for everything including the kitchen sink.
    When loadable kernel modules arrived, there was a perfectly good compromise. No need to bloat the kernel with built-in drivers, simply load modules as necessary.

    Years ago, I did build my own kernels on both FreeBSD and Linux. I even used Gentoo Linux for years, which meant you built and compiled almost all the software on your PC. In those days, I found Debian and Debian-based Linux distributions slow and cumbersome, which is why I jumped through all the hoops to get things to run just a little faster.

    Things change. Hardware got much faster - in a few short years bus speeds shot up, we got DDR, we got SATA, clock speeds flew through the GHz barrier and kept going. First Mepis Linux, and eventually Kubuntu - both Debian based - was now fast enough on my hardware, and I didn't need to waste precious hours of my life compiling kernels and operating systems.

    Nvidia certainly brought its own headaches. I got off that train when Intels built-in GPUs became "good enough" for anything I do on my PC. Bye-bye, Nvidia!

    For any experienced Linux user who wants to see just how incredibly fast and light Linux can be, even in 2017, download and try out Tiny Core Linux: Tiny Core Linux 7.1: Big Where It Counts | FOSS Force

    In a classroom setting with no budget at all, I used Tiny Core to keep a dozen cast-off 200 MHz Pentium II machines with 64MB of RAM alive and kicking until 2014. Those machines were designed for Windows 95!

    Tiny Core is a fun fast-and-light starting point for the experienced Linux user, but for those new to Linux, I suggest sticking with something from either the Ubuntu or Linux Mint family.

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    Gentoo. Oh, how I remember the pain... complete system compiles on a P-class machine took and entire month of compile time. I had to build a distcc compiling farm in my basement.

    http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2242733.html

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    I like a full figured linux, not totally bloated, but with all the growable options.
    I like the XFCE4 desktop cause it runs pretty snappy, but lots of bells & whistles can be added if need be.
    I've tried tons of different distros, and always come back to Ubuntu-Mate/XFCE.
    U-Mate is real stable, and does good with laptops.
    I buy $300 laptops, and replace win 8, or win 10 with multi-boot linux.
    I keep 4 or 5 distros on each laptop.
    I have one laptop setup to test linux live, and to test loads.
    The limiting factor to a lot of linux distros, is if you run GPT, with EFI.
    A lot of the distros are just now getting round to supporting efi, and secure boot.
    Ubuntu has supported them for years.
    Whatever you run, however newbie or advance, it IMO is better than Windoz, welcome to penguin country!
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    Here's another look at Ubuntu 17.10 with the Gnome Desktop.
    It will be out 10-19-17.
    I started with the new Ubuntu 17.10 which has a new version of gnome.
    I like the classic gnome better, so I installed the 3.26 classic gnome, that way both desktops are loadable, and usable.
    Here's some screenshot of it.
    Actually pretty user friendly, and runs pretty fast too.
    Have a look.
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    Ubuntu Beta 2, came out today.
    Development Release: Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 2 (DistroWatch.com News)
    Ubuntu Official will be out on 10-19-17.
    I've been running 17.10 with various desktops for past 6 weeks.
    It has been a very stable OS, so far, and gets better with each update.
    It is currently running on kernel 4.13.0-12 generic.
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    So, I just installed GalliumOS on my $150 refurbed Acer C720P Chromebook. I guess you'd call GalliumOS a lightweight Xubuntu optimized for Chromebook hardware, with XFCE desktop and Chrome browser.
    https://galliumos.org/
    Wondering if anyone else might have a similar setup, and some sage advice for a brand-newbie?

    I installed with chrx to get a dual-boot system with GalliumOS alongside ChromeOS. Will probably eventually switch to GalliumOS single boot. According to the documentation, "chrx" is pronounced "marshmallow". I assume that's a joke, but I don't get it. https://wiki.galliumos.org/Installing

    Seems to work, mostly, except for the touch screen- which now doesn't respond either in GalliumOS or ChromeOS. Maybe just a coincidence?

    Also, there was a conflict between the power manager and xscreensaver, which I think I resolved by killing the latter.

    And I noticed that the power manager predicts a battery life of ~6-1/2 hours, which is considerably shorter than the 9 to 11 hours I typically get under ChromeOS. I see that an "advanced power management tool" called TLP is available - which may either improve battery life or cause system instability. https://wiki.galliumos.org/Additional_Software Has anyone here tried TLP?

    Youtube videos played without sound until I found the correct "source" checkbox in the volume control application.
    I initially couldn't get windows to tile, but found the keyboard setup application that took care of that.

    ...Looks like I may be diddling for awhile.
    Again, any handy tips would be greatly appreciated.

    -rb

    PS - I did install Audacity without a glitch. Haven't checked it out yet, but don't expect any problems.

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    I hate to keep sticking in dumb questions, but I really want to get a handle on this stuff.

    Once we are done configuring all this so it works, what all do we do with the system? I mean what functions better on the UNix than the plain old vanilla MS? I don't challenge my computer. I email, I do forums, and download schematics. I don't do RPGs or games at all beyond solitaire. I stream dumb You Tubes, but not movies. Not doing Pro Tools or other audio recording/processing. So where do these alternate systems shine? You guys must have uses beyond my very basic computing.

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    This may not answer your question, but the advantage of a Chromebook is that it is fast, portable, and cheap.
    It does everything you've mentioned, and you can pick one up for under $200. With it's solid state drive, my system boots in about 2-3 seconds. Close the lid, and it goes into suspend mode; open the lid and its ready to go. Some disadvantages are that you must have a wireless router, and that the tasks you can perform off-line are pretty limited because most of the applications live on the cloud. Or something like that.

    The advantage of Linux on a Chromebook is that both the operating system and most applications (which you can download and run off-line, like on a "normal" computer) are FREE. So, for instance, with a Chromebook and a thumb drive or two, you can carry an oscilloscope, a portable DAW, and the contents of the Real Book Vols 1-6 in the accessory pocket your gig bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    I hate to keep sticking in dumb questions, but I really want to get a handle on this stuff.

    Once we are done configuring all this so it works, what all do we do with the system? I mean what functions better on the UNix than the plain old vanilla MS? I don't challenge my computer. I email, I do forums, and download schematics. I don't do RPGs or games at all beyond solitaire. I stream dumb You Tubes, but not movies. Not doing Pro Tools or other audio recording/processing. So where do these alternate systems shine? You guys must have uses beyond my very basic computing.
    It's not always about it being done better, but it being free, people writing many different apps for it or easily being able to rewrite programs.
    Or not using using the corporate-fed garbage(which works well for most people)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    I hate to keep sticking in dumb questions, but I really want to get a handle on this stuff.

    Once we are done configuring all this so it works, what all do we do with the system? I mean what functions better on the UNix than the plain old vanilla MS? I don't challenge my computer. I email, I do forums, and download schematics. I don't do RPGs or games at all beyond solitaire. I stream dumb You Tubes, but not movies. Not doing Pro Tools or other audio recording/processing. So where do these alternate systems shine? You guys must have uses beyond my very basic computing.
    These alternate systems shine in the regard that they are perfect for basic Internet computing, just as you said "email, ...forums, ...download schematics...stream dumb You Tubes." That is exactly what I do on my Linux system. Where it shines, at least for now, is by not getting viruses and it does not slow down due to a bad registry dependant windows system. Windows registry generates huge amounts of errors over time and cleaning the registry might still not truly fix the errors. It is fun to run a system without a "REAL" need for anti-virus software which typically bogs down the speed of the computer. Windows updates are horrible too and take forever. Linux updates, I find, are much less intrusive. While I cuss & yell at Windows systems during many updates, I never even feel this way with linux updates.

    As far as uses beyond basic computing... Sure they shine too, but first they should shine for basic computing. There are pros and cons to all of this but the biggest pro for me & Linux is just the basics.

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    Every time I need something on my Windows 10 machine that Windows wants me to pay for, my friend downloads me a free version from Linux /Ubuntu/whoever that works great, let's me update when it's convenient for me, and deosn' t want to "sync" everything together and make my life more complex than I want it... all this free stuff does exactly what I need ("just the basics") and no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjb View Post
    Some disadvantages are that you must have a wireless router, and that the tasks you can perform off-line are pretty limited because most of the applications live on the cloud. Or something like that.
    Cloud based apps are a deal-breaker for me. How much of the more basic type stuff is cloud only?
    I need something that can do everything offline (aside from actual internet browsing or email type stuff).

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    Linux is just an alternative to windows
    I'm been MicroSux free for over 5 years now.
    If you like your MS, keep your MS.
    I for one like GNU free software, that works, & boots fast.
    This is a Linux Ubuntu thread, and I just like to post when new distro downloads come out, and I like to promote and endorse Ubuntu Linux.
    I don't use or endorse Windows, but I'm sure there are some that do!
    Everything I need comes on a linux distro, or is easily downloadable from the ubuntu repository.
    As far as Enzo's question that he asks, he will only get the answer when he tries it.
    Linux is a choice, Like Ford, or Chevy, or Marshall vs Fender, or play gibson, or fender, PRS, or Gretsch, etc.
    None are particularly wrong, just preferences, and choices!
    Just pick what you like and go with it.
    But, I will keep posting when new distros of linux come out, here on the Ubuntu thread!
    As far as Chrome, a chromebook costs too much for what you get.
    I stick with cheap laptops with a hard drive, Optic drive.
    The last two I bought last year was my HPs 1tb hard drive 8gig ram, and optic read/writer, 15 inch led screen, $295 free shipping, and brand new.
    Some great deals out there if you beat the bushes.
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