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    So the winner for best AV is [tear open envelope -->] Kaspersky

    I had tried Webroot Secure Anywhere for about a month but it was turning my internet into a total slug. I'd check my connection speed and it was still around 50Mbps so the holdup was in the software I was running. When it took about 10 seconds for a Google window to pop up I said enough is enough!

    SGM has been recommending Kaspersky very strongly so what the heck I gave their trial version a shot (I go in for a preliminary hearing tomorrow! ) Hopefully I will be acquitted and at that time I plan to install the paid version.

    BTW I seem to remember that there was a free version of Kaspersky available about 5 years ago (it was not a limited time trial version as I recall.) Then again it might have been a free Kaspersky boot scan disk that I am thinking of...

    After installing Kaspersky it was very diligent in asking me about programs trying to access my hard drive and other areas of my computer. There were 3 choice: this is a trusted program, allow once and deny access. I don't remember other AV programs being so diligent.

    I had used Kaspersky before for a few years but I got pissed off at it for deleting a bunch of files during a late night scan. I think that the last straw was when it had deleted some of my Thunderbird email archives which are stored in a single file per folder. So if it found a single malicious file attached to one email it would delete the file that contained the entire folder. Ouch! (I see that there is an option now to prompt me before taking any actions on a scheduled overnight scan.)

    I have a new plan to handle suspicious keygens and cracks. I will first archive them up in a 7z file, and then add that file to a ZIP archive and then add the zip file to still another 7z file. To keep the keygens from infecting my computer I will run them (if I ever do) in Sandboxie.

    In addition to that I will keep some of these shady programs backed up to a flash drive that will be write protected most of the time...

    Steve

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    Kaspersky has been the best overall, and it won't flood the computer with advertising spam.
    You barely know it's there.

    Panda was cheap and did a good job, but it flooded the computer with spam for panda products. Really irritating.

    The Free antivirus (like avast, malware bytes, etc...etc...) leaves your security full of holes.
    Loading multiple security programs, from different sources, creates system conflicts.

    Systems with this installed frequently get attacked, and successfully corrupted...
    The big issue is that it does not update itself, inviting new infections to pop up all the time.
    And the multiple products are not designed to work together.

    It is far far better to use a professional antivirus, as I said, something less than 4 cents a day.
    You have new virus signatures updated all day long.
    You have blocking of unauthorized connections.

    But STILL, depending on your internet habits, you can be infected.
    People who download "free" stuff...free screensaver pictures, free games, free icons, free apps,
    you will still be attacked, no matter what antivirus you have.

    People who let the little kids use the computer. You are just asking for it.

    You simply have to change the habits, and develop better caution.
    KNOW how these crooks attack, and avoid walking into it!

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    I used Zone Alarm for years because I got it for free. I've now been using Kaspersky for about a year and it does a much more thorough job of scanning the data stream and doesn't rely as much on file-scans. If you're on limited bandwidth, as many people are here in the UK, this can slow down data transfer and I've noticed E-mail messages are slower. I'd rather have security over speed.

    The problem with home or single-user operation is cost. In business you'd use a variety of specialist products for each task and also deploy managed security appliances. You resolve issues with conflicting software. For home or small business use we're looking for Utopia in a single product. It's a compromise.

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    This week's Fry's ad has Kaspersky Pure 3.0 (3 user) available for free after a $60 mail-in rebate. According to the chart on their site this is their flagship product for personal home use. Shipping should be free as is the case with all purchases over $23 at Fry's. (Major appliances and other big or heavy items are excluded.) I think its great that people all over the US can get Fry's loss-leader specials delivered to their home. Their regular prices aren't much different than those on Amazon but they have some really great sales prices. Here is a link to Kaspersky Pure 3.0...

    Fry's Electronics |



    I should be overjoyed but I just bought the same package on eBay for $30. (Ok here is a tip which I will delete after a day or two because this site is tracked by Google. I may decide to buy a copy from Fry's to get the receipt to copy and then bring it back unopened for a refund and mailing in the UPC code from the one I bought on eBay. Yes, it is dishonest but I have screwed up many times with Fry's rebates, like misplacing the receipt until after the deadline for mailing it in. Hey, $30 is $30... ) I put 3 spinners there because it is a 3 user package.

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. That is a full $60 rebate and not a $30 "real" rebate plus a $30 competitive upgrade rebate that usually requires specific products that you might not have.

    P.S.S. The Fry's ads are now "live"- you click on a product and you go to that product page from which you can add it to your cart. That page also has links to PDF files explaining the requirements for the rebate(s). I just checked and Trend Micro will accept a printout of the Help | About screen as proof of a competitive purchase but AVG doesn't. Trend Micro had a list of specific internet security products while AVG would accept any of them.

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    Kaspersky has been very vigilant, like making sure that I want to allow programs disk access. It warned me about a malicious file in an email so I had it deleted. One thing I like is that it doesn't flag every single file that looks suspicious- it has a reputation for having very few false positives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    Kaspersky has been very vigilant, like making sure that I want to allow programs disk access. It warned me about a malicious file in an email so I had it deleted. One thing I like is that it doesn't flag every single file that looks suspicious- it has a reputation for having very few false positives.

    Steve
    1X 8 year old child, playing "Flumville" on the internet, will render a computer inoperably fubar.
    Your antivirus cannot shield you under those conditions.

    The browser habits, where you go / do on internet, has a lot to do with risk of infection.
    Your choice of downloading from the internet, has a lot to do with it.

    Those who develop more cautious habits will have lower risk.

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    So how does Farmville tear up a computer?
    Surely they are not that fragile?

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    Sorry, I meant flemville.

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    Is flemville different from farmville?

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    Children playing on a computer is nothing new. I've designed public-access systems that have to be robust enough to cope with anything - both accidental and malicious intent. Otherwise Libraries and internet cafes couldn't operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundguruman View Post
    Your antivirus cannot shield you under those conditions. The browser habits, where you go / do on internet, has a lot to do with risk of infection. Your choice of downloading from the internet, has a lot to do with it. Those who develop more cautious habits will have lower risk.
    That is true but if you are not running a good AV you are almost guaranteed of catching something nasty. The old "no click, no harm" rule is long gone.

    In ancient times you were warned not to click on anything in a suspicious email. Even better if you didn't open it at all. Nowadays some infected emails can "git" you even if you don't open them or click on anything. As for malicious sites they often have "drive-by" malware that does not need to be clicked. So just keeping your finger off the mouse button is not enough.

    You kinda wonder about those old "rules"- were hackers supposed to follow those rules as though it was a game? Actually the bells and whistles that are on 98% of the sites using Java or flash or whatever seems to be what gives the hackers much more power over your computer. I liked the good old days when HTML 2.0 was king! As for emails, back when they were limited to text only they were a lot less dangerous.

    Believe it or not I actually am very cautious in my browsing and only go to those shady sites which I have found to be safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Bailey View Post
    Children playing on a computer is nothing new. I've designed public-access systems that have to be robust enough to cope with anything - both accidental and malicious intent. Otherwise Libraries and internet cafes couldn't operate.
    Yeah but that takes all of the fun out of browsing!

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    Do you guys use the Do not track, and adblocker browser add-ons?
    That helps a lot.
    the adblocker alone gets rid of most advertising.
    I use the adblocker, do not track, personal firewall, on up to date Firefox browser, and that's it.
    My firefox is currently version 27.0.1
    I go everywhere, and open all or any email.
    I do dump and clear all history, cache, and cookies on a regular basis.
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    I just clicked on the Blue diamonds from the Blue guitar link. Track 7 is particularly nice - some interesting stuff I'll try out myself. I should click on links more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Bailey View Post
    I just clicked on the Blue diamonds from the Blue guitar link. Track 7 is particularly nice - some interesting stuff I'll try out myself. I should click on links more often.
    Thanks for the kind words! I had to cheat on that number. I had gotten a vintage Jensen C12 for my Mission 5E3 kit and was so excited about it that I played until my fingers were raw. Yes, I overdid it- I couldn't play guitar for almost 6 weeks. I made recordings every Christmas and when I was recording this I was still in pain from my fingers. I forget exactly where but on a very prominent note I hit the wrong fret. I usually would have just re-recorded the track but the thought of subjecting my fingers to further abuse discouraged me from doing that. So I used the pitch shift function in Cool Edit Pro to raise that note to the right pitch.

    In case you are wondering. The backing tracks were from Band in the Pocket Volumes 1 and 2, and the reverb was added in post-production.

    Steve

    This is a link to Track 7:

    https://soundcloud.com/sssteeve/07-s...he-blue-guitar

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Do you guys use the Do not track, and adblocker browser add-ons?
    I've got Adblocker running and an interesting utility called Disconnect. This disables advertising, analytical, social and content requests from third parties. The stats are quite revealing.

    A good program to view what's happening when you visit a site is the Fiddler HTTP debugging proxy. It allows you to inspect traffic and understand what's going on. Again, some surprising info about spawned connections to numerous sites - many which you wouldn't want to visit directly.

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    Damn activation window! [Minus 10 pts]

    Ok, my trial version of Kaspersky Internet Security was expiring today so I went ahead and installed the 3-computer retail copy of Kaspersky Pure 3.0 I picked up on eBay (which incidentally came without a box so there was no UPC code to do the scam at Fry's. Darn!)

    Complaint #1: I think it should be intelligent enough to uninstall a copy of its own program (other programs do that but that isn't a biggee.)

    Complaint #2: I think that it should have prompted me to disconnect my computer from the internet after uninstalling KIS and before installing Pure 3.0 (no biggee for me but other people could get infected)

    Complaint #3: Now this my main complaint. When I went to activate the program it opened a window for me to enter the activation code which I was able to do. But the window was not sized properly so the buttons presumably on the bottom were not visible and with no scroll bar to reach them. I rebooted hoping that might correct the problem but no such luck.

    New plan- try pressing the Tab key and then hit Enter. One press brought up the Help screen. I think it was the 3rd press that hit the Activate button. Hooray! Kinda like shooting at ducks in the dark...

    It really ticks me off how companies are so interested in having a slick looking installation/activation window that they don't bother to do enough beta testing to ensure that the slick window actually works. The god-damned dumbing down of the PC interface so that users can look at pretty pictures...

    I blame those non-standard windows on Mac computers! A lot of them started popping up about 10 years ago, totally disregarding the standards that Microsoft set for proper Windows applications (standards that Microsoft itself abandoned when they came out with Office 2007!) I like a window with a title bar on top and a menu bar right under that: File, Edit, View... Tools, Help. If someone else wants to use an alternate "skin" by all means let them do that. But do not make it mandatory for all users. especially me! The Office 2007 "ribbon" was so unwieldy for me that I spent $20 buying a 3rd party macro which allowed me to access the traditional menu- while still being able to use the Ribbon for some tasks that were not easily accessible using the traditional menu. The best of both worlds.

    Steve

    P.S. So far I have no complaints about the actual Kaspersky program itself- just the damned installation/activation routine...

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    I know it is a Global world, & Economy!
    With that said, does it not bother any of you windows guys that most of the AV Companies are Foreign made?
    The number one AV that comes to mind, is a top rated hacking Country, Russia, Their AV is Kaspersky!
    I don't run any Linux that has an origin of Russia, or China!
    I have visions of back door access and Doing Who Knows what, With my passwords, and accounts, Who Knows When?
    Yes I am a Paranoid Computer User, and Because of that, probably contributes to me Using Linux!
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    The number one AV that comes to mind, is a top rated hacking Country, Russia, Their AV is Kaspersky!
    With all of the news about the hackers at NSA, et al, it seems that the US is now the TOP rated hacking country. ("We're #1, we're #1!")
    As for Kaspersky (a good Irish name!) it is rated highly by reviewers but is #7 in market share according to the following link. The top 3 are freebies: Microsoft Security Essentials, Avast and AVG- with MSE being one of the lowest rated AV programs.

    ? Antivirus vendors: global market share 2013 | Statistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    With all of the news about the hackers at NSA, et al, it seems that the US is now the TOP rated hacking country. ("We're #1, we'rw #1!")
    As for Kaspersky (a good Irish name!) it is rated highly by reviewers but is #7 in market share according to the following link. The top 3 are freebies: Microsoft Security Essentials, Avast and AVG- with MSE being one of the lowest rated AV programs.

    ? Antivirus vendors: global market share 2013 | Statistic

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    Microsoft security is practically worthless.
    Kaspersky will work better than any microsoft security update.
    So would Panda...

    In fact many just shut the MS automatic security updates off, and use the third party antivirus instead.

    There are distinct advantages to doing it that way.
    Especially if you are using XP.

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    What on earth do microsoft security updates have to do with microsoft security essentials or any other anti-virus protection?
    Windows updates are for patching security holes in windows or IE, they are not about virus protection.
    So of course any anti-virus program is better for virus protection than windows updates.
    But anyone who knows anything about computers would not recommend turning windows updates off. There is no way any third-party anti-virus software can do what windows update does.

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    To get this, one must understand the difference between a software patch/security hole and a virus/malware. Once again, this clearly illustrates he has no idea what he's talking about.

    SGJA: "In fact many just shut the MS automatic security updates off, and use the third party antivirus instead. There are distinct advantages to doing it that way."

    What, pray tell, are these "advantages" you speak of? This is a new level of asinine idiocy. Now your advising people to turn off Windows Update. Why would you not patch known security issues, compatibility issues, software glitches, updated drivers, etc.

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    Yes, or it could be a typo.....I'll never tell.

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    I do have my Windows Updates Turned off!
    http://www.extremetech.com/wp-conten...rt-348x196.jpg
    Sorry Guys, I couldn't contain myself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by g-one View Post
    What on earth do microsoft security updates have to do with microsoft security essentials or any other anti-virus protection?
    Windows updates are for patching security holes in windows or IE, they are not about virus protection.
    So of course any anti-virus program is better for virus protection than windows updates.
    But anyone who knows anything about computers would not recommend turning windows updates off. There is no way any third-party anti-virus software can do what windows update does.
    I have considerably better experience turning windows update off.
    Especially on older computers.

    This is what happens (on older machines especially) with updates turned on:
    The more updates that are loaded, the slower the computer runs.
    Drivers disappear after updates, audio driver gone, printer driver gone, video driver gone, blue screen of death, etc...
    Registry is corrupted, DVD or CD no longer functions, no stand alone driver to reload, but still fixable in registry...
    Personal settings changed to defaults.

    This will afflict P4 P3 processors running XP particularity. But it won't happen all the time, just on certain brands.
    The updates are incompatible with certain models.
    So quite a bunch of people just leave the updates turned off.

    I became tired with my drivers disappearing, etc...It became a pain.
    And I found that XP computer ran better without the updates.
    And I'm not the only one to reach that conclusion.

    But now that I have a different newer system, quad core, win 7, I can run updates without too much problems.
    Still there are incompatible updates, even with this system. Still, in 64 bit system, some updates won't work.

    And I load them manually, the automatic update is still shut off. I choose only the necessary ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundguruman View Post
    I have considerably better experience turning windows update off.
    Especially on older computers.

    This is what happens (on older machines especially) with updates turned on:
    The more updates that are loaded, the slower the computer runs.
    Drivers disappear after updates, audio driver gone, printer driver gone, video driver gone, blue screen of death, etc...
    Registry is corrupted, DVD or CD no longer functions, no stand alone driver to reload, but still fixable in registry...
    Personal settings changed to defaults.

    This will afflict P4 P3 processors running XP particularity. But it won't happen all the time, just on certain brands.
    The updates are incompatible with certain models.
    So quite a bunch of people just leave the updates turned off.

    I became tired with my drivers disappearing, etc...It became a pain.
    And I found that XP computer ran better without the updates.
    And I'm not the only one to reach that conclusion.

    But now that I have a different newer system, quad core, win 7, I can run updates without too much problems.
    Still there are incompatible updates, even with this system. Still, in 64 bit system, some updates won't work.

    And I load them manually, the automatic update is still shut off. I choose only the necessary ones.
    I had the same experience with updates on my XP machine. Every time it updated I had to re-install my printer. I finally turned the updates off. For AV I've been using AVG free for years. Works pretty good. I changed my OS to Linux Mint recently , so I guess I don't need AV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmartn149 View Post
    I had the same experience with updates on my XP machine. Every time it updated I had to re-install my printer. I finally turned the updates off. For AV I've been using AVG free for years. Works pretty good. I changed my OS to Linux Mint recently , so I guess I don't need AV?
    On the Linux Mint, it will tell you when the updates are available, but you have to tell it to install them.
    Mint Updates work, and never had any problem with it.
    Never had any problems with viruses since I've run Linux.
    I do enable Adblock, and do not track on my Firefox browser.
    Linux software is usually a lot more current than other OS's because it constantly updated, and upgraded.
    Most Linux Brands offer 2-4 upgrades a year. It is ever evolving.
    The Ubuntu group is constantly upgrading their software, and the Linux Kernel is constantly being upgraded.
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    I think I updated right after the install. It only took a few seconds. My wifes Vista machine is always giving her trouble, and updates seem to take forever. If the AOL browser would work on Linux I'd change her OS

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    Choosing which patches to apply or applying them manually is not the same as "just turning them off". Yes, there may be some updates that cause issues, system restore is there to set you back to before the problematic patch.
    If you are running XP or older, and not applying any patches, better stay off the 'net.

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    If you run into an update that causes problems, you can simply remove that particular update via "Programs and Features" or "Add Remove Programs" depending on your OS. There is usually no need to do a system restore. If you don't know which update is causing the problem, you can order them by the date they were installed. You can also usually find info with a simple Google search as to which update might be causing your particular problem. I have found this to happen rarely and if there are problems, it's usually a sign that something else is wrong or was installed incorrectly to start with. Admittedly, Microsoft does, on rare occasion, toss out a clinker. That is certainly not a reason to turn off Windows Update. As has been stated, you do have the option to choose which updates to apply.

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    "The U.S. Department of Homeland Security advised computer users to consider using alternatives to Microsoft Corp’s Internet Explorer browser until the company fixes a security flaw that hackers have used to launch attacks. The United States Computer Emergence Readiness Team said in an advisory released on Monday morning that the vulnerability in versions 6 to 11 of Internet Explorer “could lead to the complete compromise of an affected system.”

    Like I said, we have known that Microsoft security was essentially worthless -for many many years.
    And Microsoft "security updates" are probably just as meaningful...

    So, the people who shut off the "updates" weren't missing much, were they? I didn't really think so.

    And now you have the "official" word. Don't even use Internet Explorer, the security has been full of holes since 2008, or even earlier.
    Confirmed by Homeland Security.

    Except that, how come so many of us knew this.....years before Homeland Security knew it? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

    My observation was that: people who used the automatic updates, had far far more problems...
    than those of us who simply shut the updates off.
    And that observation seems to have been proving true.

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    The problem is with Internet Explorer, not the security patches. Or do you not get that?
    For anyone who still is using Internet Explorer, and has their updates turned off so they do not get the patch (whenever it gets issued), they could end up in big trouble.
    This is a perfect example of why you need automatic updates turned on, exactly the opposite of what you claim.
    You're not using Internet explorer, good for you, but don't try to cause problems for other people who are using it by spreading false information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundguruman View Post
    "The U.S. Department of Homeland Security advised computer users to consider using alternatives to Microsoft Corp’s Internet Explorer browser until the company fixes a security flaw that hackers have used to launch attacks. The United States Computer Emergence Readiness Team said in an advisory released on Monday morning that the vulnerability in versions 6 to 11 of Internet Explorer “could lead to the complete compromise of an affected system.”

    Like I said, we have known that Microsoft security was essentially worthless -for many many years.
    And Microsoft "security updates" are probably just as meaningful...

    So, the people who shut off the "updates" weren't missing much, were they? I didn't really think so.

    And now you have the "official" word. Don't even use Internet Explorer, the security has been full of holes since 2008, or even earlier.
    Confirmed by Homeland Security.

    Except that, how come so many of us knew this.....years before Homeland Security knew it? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

    My observation was that: people who used the automatic updates, had far far more problems...
    than those of us who simply shut the updates off.
    And that observation seems to have been proving true.
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