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    Does this switch exist ?

    I need a 3 position toggle switch with 6 poles like a DPDT with both sides seperate also like a DPDT. The only ones i know of are on/off/on so that in the middle position the commons are NOT making contact with either of the other poles. I don't think it's physically possible, but what i need is one where in the middle position the commons are making contact with both poles. Then when in one position it makes contact with one pole and in the opposite position it contacts the other one. So unlike the typical DPDT on/off/on 3 position toggle it would be on/on/on with the middle on position contacting both poles so all 3 poles are shorted. And again, just like any DPDT the 2 sides are completely seperate, no contact there.If this exists, what would it be called?

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    I would call it DPDT on-on-on. I know they make them for guitars at least.

    Peavey uses a full size DPDT toggle on the panel of some tube head or other. I believe it to be the thing you describe.

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    If you could find one, it would be called a DPDT Center ON.
    Of course it is physically possible to make one - think of two 3-way pickup selector switches ganged side-by-side.
    But I don't know where you can buy one.
    DPDT ON-ON-ON are fairly common, but in the center position COM1 contacts "one side" while COM2 contacts "the other side". Not "both sides at once".
    What you could do is get a 4PDT ON-ON-ON switch and jumper COM1 to COM3 and COM2 to COM4.
    (This will all make sense after you Google some diagrams).

    -rb

    EDIT: I was writing this while Enzo posted. Maybe Peavey does use a switch that does what you want.
    But I've never found one at the Usual Suspects (Mouser, Digikey, etc).

    EDIT2: I should have said "jumper COM1 to COM2 and COM3 to COM4.
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    Mentioning "6 poles" threw me off. I thought you were looking for a 6P3T switch. As Enzo mentions, a DP3T on-on-on toggle switch is used in some 2-HB-equiped guitars. What voltage rating do you need?

    Edit: yes, I'm wrong again. I'm thinking of SP3T switches.

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    This would be clunky, but you take two SP3T switches and glue them side-by-side....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjb View Post
    What you could do is get a 4PDT ON-ON-ON switch and jumper COM1 to COM3 and COM2 to COM4.
    (This will all make sense after you Google some diagrams).

    -rb

    EDIT: I was writing this while Enzo posted. Maybe Peavey does use a switch that does what you want.
    But I've never found one at the Usual Suspects (Mouser, Digikey, etc).
    Thats a good idea. (4PDT) I think thats what i'll do, thanks. As to Enzo's thought, i just don't want to hunt it down if it's that vague as to where i might find it. The 4PDT will work fine and i know where i can get that locally. edit: Should have said "i think" i know. doesn't look like i was right.

    Quote Originally Posted by eschertron View Post
    What voltage rating do you need?
    It's just for speaker switching so no high voltage worries.

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    Peavey Switch 2368, p/n 71622368


    used in Triple XXX60. and others. I would CALL parts department and verify its internal switching pattern.

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    Use a rotary 6P3T. Done! It's not a toggle, but it'll work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    Use a rotary 6P3T. Done! It's not a toggle, but it'll work.
    4 pole, 3 position would be easier to find.
    Like this. https://www.taydaelectronics.com/ele...3599-3590.html
    You'd still have to bridge pairs of COM terminals.
    But knobs are always sexier than toggles.

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    Thanks people. I will look into that peavey and if the cost isn't stupid (the few i found WERE) and they can verify this i'll got that. Otherwise the rotary. Thanks !

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    Mouser has a number of on-on-on but in the mini toggle size. Don;t know if it has current rating for speakers.

    Oh they also had industrial toggles, full size, but those are like Honeywell and are $50-80 each.

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    What would the current rating need to be for a 100 watt ss amp? I called peavey but they have no part number like the switch OR the footswitch because it's apparently discontinued.

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    I am half asleep, use Ohm's LAw.

    Daz, my humble apology, I typo'd

    it is 71322368, NOT 716xxxxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    I am half asleep, use Ohm's LAw.

    Daz, my humble apology, I typo'd

    it is 71322368, NOT 716xxxxx
    I saw that number in a google search but if i recall it wasn't double pole or something like that, and i figured the 3 instead of 6 might be how they designate 1 vs 2 poles. I'll see if i can find that page again.

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    Ok, called peavey and this time they found it but the part # has been changed to start with 3 instead of 7, so it's 31322368 it's a DPTT. But i forgot to ask if it's on/on/on and somehow i think she may not have had that info anyways. But i'll call back later or tomorrow and hopefully get a different parts person. I feel like she was a bit irritated with me calling a second time after giving her the wrong # the first. But i need to verify it is indeed on/on/on.
    EDIT: found it but theres a review on the page selling it and the reviewer says it;ls on/of/on. Look at the review here... Peavey 31322368 Channel Switch for Tripple XXX | Full Compass
    Granted, maybe he's wrong but most people looking for a switch and that know switch specs enough to know what they mean i would think know if it's on or off in the middle. But of course the page doesn't say, nor do several other pages i found selling it.

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    here is the switch in the XXX schematic (2368)
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    it looks like a DP3T ON-OFF-ON

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    here is the switch in the XXX schematic (2368)
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    it looks like a DP3T ON-OFF-ON
    Thanks, tho that doesn't tell me if it's on/on/on. I thought about it and i think lead/crunch/clean could probably be accomplished with on/off/on as u suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Mouser has a number of on-on-on but in the mini toggle size.
    Have you checked data sheets?
    The problem is that most switches listed as on-on-on work like the one on the left.
    Daz needs one that works like the one on the right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rjb View Post
    Have you checked data sheets?
    The problem is that most switches listed as on-on-on work like the one on the left.
    Daz needs one that works like the one on the right.


    -rb
    Exactly, i need the right one. But like u said, if i could find a 4PDT on/on/on like the left one, that could work.

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    No,, I didn't check any of the data sheets. I just found a bunch of 3-on listings. I don;t have time to do the complete research, it was just a suggestion.

    The PV part may well not be what we need, it was just work checking out.

    First three digits on PV part numbers are overall type and source.

    713xxxx is a switch from domestic sources (Meaning Mississippi warehouse.) They same part numbers starting with 3 means imported. Any time you need a PV part from before that starts with 7, you can always try asking for a 3 series. Like pots, they all translate that way.

    The last five digits determine the actual type switch.

    302(702) - resistor
    303 - cap
    304 - semiconductor
    307 - speaker
    311 - potentiometer
    313 - switch
    314 - jack
    to name a few common ones.


    rjb, even if you are right, in a sound system, we can leave the common wire unswitched, and short the two center posts together and use those types. One channel. You want stereo, gang two or use a 4 pole type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post

    rjb, even if you are right, in a sound system, we can leave the common wire unswitched, and short the two center posts together and use those types. One channel. You want stereo, gang two or use a 4 pole type.
    LOL!!! I'm such a numbskull that didn't occur to me ! I can just hardwire the amps negative to both speakers and use a on/on/on DPDT to switch between + to spkr 1, + to spkr 2, and + to both. Dunno why that didn't occur to me cuz you do it all the time with with signals. Good catch Enzo, at least i THINK thats what you meant.

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    I think that is what I was thinking, but the bottom line is whatever it was, it gave you a successful idea for a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    I think that is what I was thinking, but the bottom line is whatever it was, it gave you a successful idea for a solution.
    Yes it did, thank you good sir...

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    I ran across a full-sized 4 pole double throw*** on-on-on switch working on a 1,000,000 BTU "blast" furnace used in an autobody shop 15 or 20 years ago. The company that tried to repair it previously did not know about on-on-on switches so the switch that they put in did not work properly in the middle position.

    I called it a "blast" furnace because there was no vented heat exchanger - the flames just shot out into the large room where the painted cars were "cooked".

    *** It might have been a 2 pole switch but after all of these years my memory is just a blur...


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    P.S. I was perplexed a bit at first about the solution Daz posted because I only know of on-on-on switches as shown in the left drawing in Post#18... BUT if you jumper the 2 center terminals together you can select one, the other or both. You do need to ohm out the switch to make sure you are using the correct terminals...

    D'oh!

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