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      Originally posted by Pedro Vecino View Post
      According to that idea (power tubes will be the first to clip), how can we explain then the big difference in the distortion level that exists between a master volume installed in a Plexi previous to the phase splitter or after it with maximum preamp gain?...
      With reference to a Marshall 1987 and the master volume (MV) nomenclature described in the trainwreck pages p41-44, the addition of a type 4 MV to a 1987 facilitates 2 cascaded common cathode (CC) gain stages prior to the MV, so assuming a gain of ~60 per CC stage, there's a max available preamp gain of 60 x 60 ~= 3600.
      If the type 4 MV is changed to a type 1 or 2, an additional gain stage is available, the LTP phase splitter. This has a gain of ~30, however, there's the insertion loss of the tone stack to factor in, so if that ~halves the signal level, the total increase in available gain will be ~15.
      So, there are now 3 cascaded gain stages, total gain ~= 60 x 60 x 15 ~= 54000.
      Hence, as you note, a big difference in the available distortion level between the type 4 and type 1 or 2.

      Originally posted by Pedro Vecino View Post
      ...In a Plexi, using a post phase splitter master volume or an attenuator in the speaker output the distortion level is very similar with the gain set to the maximum.
      Yes, with a type 1 or 2 MV, we lose the gain of the power tubes, and also the LTP outputs won't hit its own rails until a somewhat higher level than the power tube control grids would clip them at. But on the flipside, the LTP gain is no longer constrained within a negative feedback loop (ie when the type 1 or 2 is turned down, the open loop gain will likely drop to such a level that the closed loop gain will be little different than open loop).
      So yes, a 1987 with a type 1 or 2 MV can have a similar level of overdrive as a regular 1987.
      However, the dynamic response may be somewhat different, as with a stock 1987 the power tube screen grid current draw will modulate the gain and power output of the power tubes, with that current draw having a non-linear relationship to signal level.
      Whereas a 1987 with a type 1 or 2 MV that is turned down will necessarily lose a (perhaps significant) degree of that modulation, as the signal level at the power tubes is lower.
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