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    Are these original Gibson PUs ?

    Guitar is a 1966 Gibson SG Standard. Do you folk have comments on the originality of the pickups ? Note clipped corners on the base plate of one.
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    Those p'ups have been tempered with, so… it's impossible to assess what they actually are without open'em and dissect'em.

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    I agree, that judging by the amount of solder they have been donked with.
    I would also like to see pictures of the front side, and pics of the control cavity!
    I'm sure he's wanting to know if they are PAFs?
    I'm not into vintage, and my answer would be if they sound good, then play the hell out of them!
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    I'm sure he's wanting to know if they are PAFs?
    No more PAFs in 1966. But could be original Pat.No.(T-top)-types. Impossible to tell without taking the covers off.

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    Didn't know what year they quit making PAFs.
    Here's a bunch of pics of T-Tops.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=T-to...w=1366&bih=576

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    The bobbin screws, and braid on the lead are wrong. It's a PAF (Phony As F) It doesn't mean they don't sound good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I agree, that judging by the amount of solder they have been donked with.
    I would also like to see pictures of the front side, and pics of the control cavity!
    I'm sure he's wanting to know if they are PAFs?
    I'm not into vintage, and my answer would be if they sound good, then play the hell out of them!
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    I never expected PAFs on a 66. I just need to know whether either are actual Gibsons , factory original. I was sold the guitar with the claim that pickups and pote are original ,..and paid the price on that assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_H View Post
    The bobbin screws, and braid on the lead are wrong. It's a PAF (Phony As F) It doesn't mean they don't sound good.
    Oh yes, 3-strand braiding, definitely not original. Missed that one (weak eyes). The brass screws I noticed, but while not typical for T-Tops, I wasn't sure about possible exceptions. I never saw them in T-Tops but brass bobbin screws were certainly used in pre-T-Top Pat.Nos until 64/65. But they look too shiny as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audiorep2 View Post
    I never expected PAFs on a 66. I just need to know whether either are actual Gibsons , factory original. I was sold the guitar with the claim that pickups and pote are original ,..and paid the price on that assumption.
    No way for me to tell you that from here.
    Others may know.
    We build and rewind pickups in this forum area.
    Relic guitars is not this forums area of expertise, for sure.
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    I sent audiorep2 here from another forum, on the assumption that those who do rewind or design pickups would have at least some passing authoritative knowledge about what the visual features might be that provide clues.

    Blame me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hammer View Post
    I sent audiorep2 here from another forum, on the assumption that those who do rewind or design pickups would have at least some passing authoritative knowledge about what the visual features might be that provide clues.

    Blame me.
    No blame.
    Maybe he can post some more pics of the guitar, and front of the pickups.
    I would also like to see pics of the control cavity.
    The neck pickup baseplate with the wide rounded corners, looks like the baseplates that adfx sold.
    I got some of those a few years back, and I complained about the wide corners.
    So, I doubt the pickups are original.
    I would check the guitar real close, who knows, it may not be legit either.

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    FWIW, I found this a few years back talking a bit about PAF humbucker history.

    https://musicalilluminism.wordpress....l-pickup-tech/

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    A terrific read, Jim. Thanks for that.

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    He could send them to me, and I volunteer to dissect them for him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kayakerca View Post
    FWIW, I found this a few years back talking a bit about PAF humbucker history.

    https://musicalilluminism.wordpress....l-pickup-tech/
    There are several of these PAF history articles. I always wonder how much of the content is first hand experience and how much is just copied from unverified sources.

    I especially disagree with some of the magnet info given in the link above.

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    Some guys go off the deep about vintage gibson and vintage fender pickups.
    Here we try to emphasize, build technique, what pickups sound like, and how to make them better.
    An example, I like 2 wire with shield, instead of the bare push back wire.
    As quiet, or quieter, and you can reverse the polarity by reversing the two wires.
    But, use what you like!
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    A couple of years ago, I bought a basket case epiphone SG in a pawn store. These PAF copies were in it. They're much more convincing in appearance than the OP's. They were wound really hot, so I stripped them down and rebuilt them more to vintage specs. The magnets in them were inconsistent. I assume De-gaussed, so I replaced them.
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