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    Lightbulb Web Browsers, & Assorted Web Browser reviews!

    What browser do you use and like?
    Please list any pros and cons that you know of?
    I normally use Firefox with Linux.
    I have used chromium, the linux version of google chrome, and Opera.

    Here's some of the popular browsers.
    Internet Explorer
    Firefox
    Google chrome & Chromium
    Opera
    Safari
    Microsoft Edge
    Sea Monkey
    Pale Moon

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    Another browser I'm hearing kicked around a lot lately is the Tor, or Onion browser.
    It is used to hide your browsers IP address.
    Here's a basic youtube on it.
    If you have anything to share on the tor browser, please do.



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    I've used U-block origin off and on on firefox, for years.
    Last night got notification it was not supported.
    See Screenshot.
    I'm looking for an alternative?
    Anyone got any ideas?


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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I've used U-block origin off and on on firefox, for years.
    Last night got notification it was not supported.
    See Screenshot.
    I'm looking for an alternative?
    Anyone got any ideas?


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    https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigi...ng_on_firefox/
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I've used U-block origin off and on on firefox, for years.
    Last night got notification it was not supported.
    See Screenshot.
    I'm looking for an alternative?
    Anyone got any ideas?
    It's not just ublock but many firefox add-ons and it is a temporary glitch. Should be fixed today or tomorrow?
    Somebody forgot to renew a security certificate and the automatic updates of add-ons disables them.

    https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019...ns-in-firefox/

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    this works (as a temporary measure 'til they fix the issue) but needs to be done each time you shut down and start up firefox again (not that big of a deal unless, say you have a huge number of add-ons) :

    https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/com...sions/emghlsf/

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    I use a Firefox variant called Waterfox. It doesn't block out-of-date add-ons like Firefox does. Works very well for me.

    https://www.waterfox.net/

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    I guess it will require the add-ons fixing the issue.

    FF says:
    Add-on signing in Firefox?
    Starting in Firefox version 57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected?
    Add-ons that can change your browser's settings without your consent or steal your information have become increasingly common. Some add-ons can add unwanted toolbars or buttons, change your search settings or inject ads into your computer. Firefox does now verify that the add-ons you install have been signed by Mozilla, digitally.

    Though FF started this in ver. 57, they must have just got around to enforcing it.
    Sounds like Firefox, is turning into another Google!
    TBC
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I've used U-block origin off and on on firefox, for years.
    Last night got notification it was not supported.
    See Screenshot.
    I'm looking for an alternative?
    Anyone got any ideas?
    They just pushed through a firefox update. All our add-ons are back up and running.
    (edit: version 66.0.4)

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I guess it will require the add-ons fixing the issue

    Sounds like Firefox, is turning into another Google!
    TBC
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    Exactly why I went looking for an alternative. Waterfox is it. (for now)

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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    They just pushed through a firefox update. All our add-ons are back up and running.
    uBlock Origin, and Reload in address bar, still won't install.
    They are not fixed here.

    I haven't looked into waterfox, and I guess they have a Linux version.
    I use FF, because it is preloaded with most linux.
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    This is the temporary fix, at least for Linux.
    It worked for me.

    In order to be able to provide this fix on short notice, we are using the Studies system. You can check if you have studies enabled by going to Firefox Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Allow Firefox to install and run studies.

    You can disable studies again after your add-ons have been re-enabled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    uBlock Origin, and Reload in address bar, still won't install.
    They are not fixed here.
    You updated to the latest firefox (66.0.4) that came out a couple hours ago and it still didn't work?

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    No, I didn't add 66.0.4, I'm still on 66.0.3.
    It will come out on a scheduled Ubuntu update.
    Probably tomorrow, but not today.
    The new one you have is not yet on the Ubuntu repository.
    Not worth manually downloading, and installing the tarball, when it will soon be on an automatic update!
    I did the other work around I listed in post 12, for now.
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    Ok that makes sense.
    The official fix is 66.0.4 (it was only a 6Mb update):

    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo.../releasenotes/

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    It's a 59.2 mb download tar file for linux.

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    When you open firefox in linux, can you not check for updates like in windows?
    ("help: about" shows version # and allows to check for updates)
    You have to download the whole new version every time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    When you open firefox in linux, can you not check for updates like in windows?
    ("help: about" shows version # and allows to check for updates)
    You have to download the whole new version every time?
    No, the check for updates is only on versions that were added manually.
    Since Windows doesn't come with FF, you had to add it manually, therefore it self checks for updates.
    If you have an OS that comes with FF, then it doesn't have the check for updates option.
    FF depends on updates through the OS updates.
    The Ubuntu & Fedora way, which I use the most, keeps their latest FF tested version on the update repository.
    Until they update the repository, if I deleted FF, and reinstalled it from the repository with the apt command?
    I would just reinstall 66.0.3, which is what I have.
    To add the new 66.0.4 version right now manually, I would have to totally remove the current version, and install the 66.0.4.tar.bz2, from the FF site.
    Since I have the ad-ons working with the work around, it's not worth the trouble.
    In between the down time of Ublock, I installed o-o-0-o-o wing0wing adblocker ad-on, and it worked fine.
    That is about all I know about that.
    Everything is good right now!
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    I don't use any adblockers on this machine anymore since I got 'noscript'. It's a bit more work but I feel much more secure, and it gets rid of a lot of other non-ad distractions as well.

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    I'm too lazy to use noscript.
    uBlock does enough for me.
    I run a UFW firewall on my linux, but I pretty much leave it wide open.
    Here's a tutorial for noscript, if anyone is interested?


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    FF 66.0.4, is available today for linux, through linux updates.
    ad-ons are up and running.

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    Opera GX is one of my favorite Windows browsers and I'm waiting for it to be ported to Linux)

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    I would like to review as many Web browsers as possible.
    I can review all the browsers that can be loaded on linux, with screen shots.
    I like and personally use Firefox, and have for many years.
    Firefox is available for about every OS, Windows, Linux, Unix, Mac, etc.
    I plan on reviewing Chromium, Opera, pale Moon, Safari, etc.
    There are many Add-ons available for Mozilla Firefox.
    Firefox features a Private window mode, that dumps most data, when closed.
    Check it out!
    Here's a few shots of Firefox 72, that just came out as a linux update 1-9-2020.
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    I am still really ignorant of this stuff. What do I look for in these screen shots? I only have the Internet Explorer (or whatever it is called in Windows 10) and Chrome, and mostly use Chrome. But the two look similar to me, little details that one gets used to, but they do the same things. But I am not a sophisticated user. (Forums, email, Turbotax) What makes one preferable to another? What substantive differences are between say Firefox and Opera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    I am still really ignorant of this stuff. What do I look for in these screen shots? I only have the Internet Explorer (or whatever it is called in Windows 10) and Chrome, and mostly use Chrome. But the two look similar to me, little details that one gets used to, but they do the same things. But I am not a sophisticated user. (Forums, email, Turbotax) What makes one preferable to another? What substantive differences are between say Firefox and Opera?
    Kinda like the differences between Ford and Chevy or Fender and Gibson. Both of them take you places, just depends on your past experiences.

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    I don't currently have Opera loaded on anything.
    I will put it on my test computer on Ubuntu.
    I will show screenshots of Opera, and also part of the test, will be how easy I can uninstall it, and get it off.
    Opera seems to be hard to get off of Windows, without the aid of a uninstall add-on program.
    It shouldn't be too tough to get off of Linux, but time will tell!
    With the test computer, if I tear something up, I just format, reload, and start over.
    I do it pretty regular!
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    This is a bit of a tangent, but still browser related.
    Do you sometimes get the message on youtube that a video is not available in your country? I had that happen recently but another guy said he could see it, even though we're both in the same country. I asked him if he was running anything that would mask his IP country, but he said no. He said he was running the newest Firefox and it had more privacy.
    Can anyone confirm? I'm on an old ESR version of firefox but will be moving up to win7 before the deadline, so I should be able to run newest firefox I hope.

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    Do you sometimes get the message on youtube that a video is not available in your country?
    That may have to do with some privacy settings.
    I will try to check it out.

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    I just installed Opera on my Linux test laptop, a i5 with sata ssd drive.
    Opera was not on the Ubuntu Repository, like most programs.
    So I had to go and download it from the Opera site, and it was a bit trickier to install.
    I had to install the debian file.
    I installed it with the gui.
    It can also be installed with apt install command, with the .deb file.
    But, you have to put ./ in front of the file name.
    Here is the whole command.
    # apt install ./opera-stable_66.0.3515.27_amd64.deb

    It has a light and a dark setting.
    You can take a screenshot from the browser which is a neat feature.
    I don't know the ins and outs of opera like I do Firefox.
    I removed it with the software gui, and it seems to be all gone!
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