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    Solid State Storage-SSD

    We can use this thread to discuss SATA SSD, NVMe M2, RAM, USB Sticks, and SD Camera media.
    All Solid state storage.
    I currently only have SATA 2.5 inch air core Hard Drives. No SSDs yet.
    The prices of SSDs were pricey, but they are really coming down and starting to look pretty attractive.
    If you run a SSD, please discuss it here.
    As I look and shop for a 500gb, and or a 1tb SSD, I will report here.
    TBC,
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    **Included is a basic benchmark of a 1tb WD blue HD.
    I will run the same test on a SSD, when I get one.
    First is read only, second is read and write. (use partition without data for write test)
    A typical SATA SSD, should be 5-6 times faster.

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    I don't have any fancy data or much valuable info, but my niece had the drive in her MacBook take a dump. I found a Crucial 240GB SSD on eBay for 75 bucks, so what the hell? I could not believe how fast it made that thing. I timed from pushing the power button to arriving at the OS ready to roll. It took about 12 seconds. I'm not gonna rush out and replace drives in my working boxes, but if one fails it'll be replaced with a SSD.

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    I was in Best Buy a couple days ago.
    I saw one with a SSD, but it was a small capacity, 256gb, I think.
    That would be OK, unless you have lots of pictures, schematics, etc to store.
    If you can wait, until black Friday, usually lots of laptops on sale then.
    I usually get a cheapie every year, on sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I was in Best Buy a couple days ago.
    I saw one with a SSD, but it was a small capacity, 256gb, I think.
    That would be OK, unless you have lots of pictures, schematics, etc to store.
    256G = "small" capacity (?!?) Well the salesman informed me it takes 30G just for Windoze 10 OS to load, crikeys! In any case my next newest computer, a donated 10 year old Toshiba Satellite laptop, just went into "last legs" mode, and has (only) 70 G HD, I think I could get along with 256G. If I start collecting movies or something, I'll get a terabit or more external drive. At the moment I'm stumping along on an early 2000's HD mini tower running XP. That has to end soon, so I'll sail into BB with my credit card & pony up for my first new computer in 20 years. It's about time. Thanx for your advice Terry!

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    Not all USB flash drives are created equal either.
    I have several, and I use them not just for storage, but to run and test linux live with.
    The fastest ones I have are PNY USB-3 type.
    The slowest I had, were the Sandisk USB-2s.
    They took forever to write a 2GB linux live iso on.
    I formatted them, and gave them to my college going Granddaughter, for simple doc storage.
    I will try to benchmark one of those, later.
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    I just bought a 1Tb SSD (actually < 1Tb but you know...) a nice Samsung 860 Evo for under $128, its great!
    The $/Tb price is best at 1Tb, the 250Gb and 2/4Tb versions want >50% more $/Tb!

    My boot drive is a Samsung M.2 512Gb and even faster; boots in 5 s!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    I just bought a 1Tb SSD (actually < 1Tb but you know...) a nice Samsung 860 Evo for under $128, its great!
    The $/Tb price is best at 1Tb, the 250Gb and 2/4Tb versions want >50% more $/Tb!

    My boot drive is a Samsung M.2 512Gb and even faster; boots in 5 s!
    Can you benchmark them for us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Can you benchmark them for us?
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    Hmmm I'm quantitative all day, at home I usually go all touchy feely . Along those lines my new SSDs feel fast!

    My ancient laptop was reborn with a Samsung SSD; I decided to not replace it over a year ago after ditching the mag spinner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    My ancient laptop was reborn with a Samsung SSD
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboy View Post
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.
    Mine is a dual core t4200@ 2 ghz 4 gig ram. 100gig kingston ssd brought this thing to life. I like the almost instant boot from sleep or hibernation much better than a Sata drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboy View Post
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.
    If you can determine if it is SATA 1, 2, or 3.?
    If 2 or 3 I would think it would be feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboy View Post
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.
    Its a >10 year old Acer Aspire 1810T, which is a tiny 11" ultraportable with the semi rare 1.3-GHz Intel Pentium SU7300 CPU.
    Its so portable and its 8h battery life was a godsend when I commuted to SF by air for a year. The 256Gb Samsung 2.5" drive was spendy a couple years back but way less than a new laptop, well worth the upgrade.

    I am not gaming or doing CAD on this (just molecular modeling and some ray tracing!) but thats what the desktop is for.

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    I misspoke!
    The $300 laptops at BB, are 128gb, not 256gb.
    Just wanted you to know, that is pretty small, for the size of todays software.
    I couldn't deal with that.
    I hope you can.
    As far as using a external drive, that makes it usb driven.
    That slows things way down.
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/all-lap...ce%20skuidsaas
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    so I'll sail into BB with my credit card & pony up for my first new computer in 20 years. It's about time.
    Sounds good, whatever size you can live with.
    I chop my drive into a bunch of smaller partitions, so a 256gb doesn't chop up into much.
    I can get by with 500gb, but 1TB is much better.
    See Screenshot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Not all USB flash drives are created equal either.
    I have several, and I use them not just for storage, but to run and test linux live with.
    The fastest ones I have are PNY USB-3 type.
    The slowest I had, were the Sandisk USB-2s.
    They took forever to write a 2GB linux live iso on.
    I formatted them, and gave them to my college going Granddaughter, for simple doc storage.
    I will try to benchmark one of those, later.
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    Here's a couple of USB 3s
    The PNY is real old.
    It seems to have slowed down some on the write.

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    Here's the benchmark test of the Samsung 970 EVO plus.
    I have it in the new black friday Dell i5 laptop.
    3.2gb read, and 756mb write.
    That's about 30X times faster read, and 10X faster write, than a standard spinning Hard Drive.
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    With the Windows pre-update checks and anti-virus scans running for about 50% of the time our laptops were almost unusable. Fitted Samsung 512GB SSD in one (i5) and a Crucial 1TB in other (i7). Now I barely notice these drive thrashing processes. The best upgrade I ever did on anything, ever, by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickb View Post
    With the Windows pre-update checks and anti-virus scans running for about 50% of the time our laptops were almost unusable.
    I disabled automatic updates and automatic virus scans, now I *own* my own computer.

    Whenever I go to sleep for good, no matter what the time of day, *then* I unleash the guard dogs, never ever when I am using or even might need it.

    And when I wake up, IF anything is still running, I plain cancel it, period.

    I´m missing nothing, whatever was not updated/scanned today, will be tonight ... while I sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    I disabled automatic updates and automatic virus scans, now I *own* my own computer.

    Whenever I go to sleep for good, no matter what the time of day, *then* I unleash the guard dogs, never ever when I am using or even might need it.

    And when I wake up, IF anything is still running, I plain cancel it, period.

    I´m missing nothing, whatever was not updated/scanned today, will be tonight ... while I sleep.
    It's really isn't that simple. The processes are scheduled to start during down time ( I don't get much of that). So they want to run at say 1am. Computer is off so won't actually run until I next use it. Halting the process tree isn't practical either and the darn thing still has to get it's work done sometime. All you doing is postponing the inevitable. You're also overlooking the AV scan that runs everytime an email arrives, download etc.

    Trust me, as SSD is bliss by comparison as everything gets done quickly.

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    If anyone is looking for a 2.5 inch SSD drive, Here is the best deal I've seen yet on the 860 EVO 1tb.
    Best Buy just dropped the price on these.
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...?skuId=6178649
    I bought 2 in the past on sale for $139.99, they are now for $109.99.
    IMO the Samsung 860 EVO 2.5 inch SATA SSD, has the fastest speeds, and best drive in it's class.
    I have 2 of them, but don't need another at this time.
    If you're in the market, I recommend the 860.
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    An ignorant question: I know in traditional disc drives the number meant the diameter of the disc, at least more or less. In solid state drives, what does the 2.5 inch refer to?

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    Enzo....

    It is a leftover from the way we describe the hard drives in laptops. Those are typically 2.5 inches (form factor dimension). Given that, the case they come in has a standard size, just like the larger 3.5". So when you buy a 2.5" SSD, it fits in the smaller cavity. Other than that explanation, I see your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    An ignorant question: I know in traditional disc drives the number meant the diameter of the disc, at least more or less. In solid state drives, what does the 2.5 inch refer to?
    It means the SSD is in a 2.5 inch encloser, and replaces, or fits in a laptop 2.5 inch HDD slot. Picture 1
    Also if it is a 2.5 inch drive, that also means it is a SATA type drive, and not the newer smaller NVMe.
    The new NVMe SSDs, fit a M.2 PCI/e slot, picture 2.
    Most of the old desktops used a 3.5 inch Hard drive.

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    Thanks, guys.

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    There is none of that constant thrashing with linux.
    I also turn off any auto update stuff.
    I do the updates at my leisure.
    A 500gb ssd would get me by, but the 1TBs aren't much more.
    I hope they keep coming down in price!
    I've read a lot of benmark tests, and the Crucial and Samsung EVO, are the fastest and cheapest.
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    Trust me, as SSD is bliss by comparison as everything get done quickly.
    Hey Nick?
    Would it be possible to run and show us a benchmark test on the two computers with SSDs?
    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Hey Nick?
    Would it be possible to run and show us a benchmark test on the two computers with SSDs?
    Thanks in advance.
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    Here's mine using hdtune. Averages over 350MB/s.

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    SSD speed in your own computer or laptop will depend on how old, and what version of SATA Controller you have.
    SATA 3 is required to get the ner 600/mbs


    SATA I (revision 1.x) interface, formally known as SATA 1.5Gb/s, is the first generation SATA interface running at 1.5 Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 150MB/s.

    SATA II (revision 2.x) interface, formally known as SATA 3Gb/s, is a second generation SATA interface running at 3.0 Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 300MB/s.

    SATA III (revision 3.x) interface, formally known as SATA 6Gb/s, is a third generation SATA interface running at 6.0Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 600MB/s. This interface is backwards compatible with SATA 3 Gb/s interface.

    Not sure how you check windows for SATA controller version.

    In Ubuntu linux use this command
    Mine is 6Gbps, or SATA 3.

    root@Mubu4:~# dmesg | grep SATA
    [ 2.098891] ahci 0000:00:11.0: AHCI 0001.0300 32 slots 2 ports 6 Gbps 0x3 impl SATA mode
    [ 2.113117] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xf056c000 port 0xf056c100 irq 19
    [ 2.113119] ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xf056c000 port 0xf056c180 irq 19
    [ 2.612232] ata1: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
    [ 2.612255] ata2: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
    [13468.870745] ata2: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
    [13471.042961] ata1: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
    root@Mubu4:~#

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    I picked up a Samsung 860 EVO 2.5 inch 1TB SATA SSD, at Bestbuy.
    I put it in my oldest of the 3 laptops. The one I use so much in the Living Room.
    It is a HP with a A10 AMD processor.
    I still don't have it fully loaded, but got it up enough to log on to the MEF.
    This thing flies, it really made a big difference.
    Everyone is right, once you use a SSD, it is hard to go back to HD.
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    Here's the screenshot of the old spinnig HD, and the new 860 EVO SSD.
    A big difference!

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    I don't know if this is true for the current SSDs being sold but I remember hearing that SSDs have a limited number of read/write events for each bit. Does anyone have related information on this?

    I realize that everything has a limit and maybe the life concern only applies to the earlier generations of SSDs. In addition, maybe the life comment is insignificant because the actual SSD life is longer than a mechanical drive anyway. However, since I've read/heard the comment multiple time I'm interested if anyone has background information to add.

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    Found this article. Doesn't seem to be much of an issue compared to a drive with moving parts.

    https://www.compuram.de/blog/en/the-...-to-take-care/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Found this article. Doesn't seem to be much of an issue compared to a drive with moving parts.

    https://www.compuram.de/blog/en/the-...-to-take-care/
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    Overall the intent of that article sounds good but it sure was a hard read for me. Maybe it was a google language translation.

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    Yes, I'll admit I didn't read it in depth. A quick skim read told me what I wanted to know, though. Basically, modern SSD's should last much longer than a drive with moving parts.

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