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    Solid State Storage-SSD

    We can use this thread to discuss SATA SSD, NVMe M2, RAM, USB Sticks, and SD Camera media.
    All Solid state storage.
    I currently only have SATA 2.5 inch air core Hard Drives. No SSDs yet.
    The prices of SSDs were pricey, but they are really coming down and starting to look pretty attractive.
    If you run a SSD, please discuss it here.
    As I look and shop for a 500gb, and or a 1tb SSD, I will report here.
    TBC,
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    **Included is a basic benchmark of a 1tb WD blue HD.
    I will run the same test on a SSD, when I get one.
    First is read only, second is read and write. (use partition without data for write test)
    A typical SATA SSD, should be 5-6 times faster.

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    I don't have any fancy data or much valuable info, but my niece had the drive in her MacBook take a dump. I found a Crucial 240GB SSD on eBay for 75 bucks, so what the hell? I could not believe how fast it made that thing. I timed from pushing the power button to arriving at the OS ready to roll. It took about 12 seconds. I'm not gonna rush out and replace drives in my working boxes, but if one fails it'll be replaced with a SSD.

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    Not all USB flash drives are created equal either.
    I have several, and I use them not just for storage, but to run and test linux live with.
    The fastest ones I have are PNY USB-3 type.
    The slowest I had, were the Sandisk USB-2s.
    They took forever to write a 2GB linux live iso on.
    I formatted them, and gave them to my college going Granddaughter, for simple doc storage.
    I will try to benchmark one of those, later.
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    I just bought a 1Tb SSD (actually < 1Tb but you know...) a nice Samsung 860 Evo for under $128, its great!
    The $/Tb price is best at 1Tb, the 250Gb and 2/4Tb versions want >50% more $/Tb!

    My boot drive is a Samsung M.2 512Gb and even faster; boots in 5 s!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    I just bought a 1Tb SSD (actually < 1Tb but you know...) a nice Samsung 860 Evo for under $128, its great!
    The $/Tb price is best at 1Tb, the 250Gb and 2/4Tb versions want >50% more $/Tb!

    My boot drive is a Samsung M.2 512Gb and even faster; boots in 5 s!
    Can you benchmark them for us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Not all USB flash drives are created equal either.
    I have several, and I use them not just for storage, but to run and test linux live with.
    The fastest ones I have are PNY USB-3 type.
    The slowest I had, were the Sandisk USB-2s.
    They took forever to write a 2GB linux live iso on.
    I formatted them, and gave them to my college going Granddaughter, for simple doc storage.
    I will try to benchmark one of those, later.
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    Here's a couple of USB 3s
    The PNY is real old.
    It seems to have slowed down some on the write.

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    With the Windows pre-update checks and anti-virus scans running for about 50% of the time our laptops were almost unusable. Fitted Samsung 512GB SSD in one (i5) and a Crucial 1TB in other (i7). Now I barely notice these drive thrashing processes. The best upgrade I ever did on anything, ever, by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickb View Post
    With the Windows pre-update checks and anti-virus scans running for about 50% of the time our laptops were almost unusable.
    I disabled automatic updates and automatic virus scans, now I *own* my own computer.

    Whenever I go to sleep for good, no matter what the time of day, *then* I unleash the guard dogs, never ever when I am using or even might need it.

    And when I wake up, IF anything is still running, I plain cancel it, period.

    I´m missing nothing, whatever was not updated/scanned today, will be tonight ... while I sleep.

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    There is none of that constant thrashing with linux.
    I also turn off any auto update stuff.
    I do the updates at my leisure.
    A 500gb ssd would get me by, but the 1TBs aren't much more.
    I hope they keep coming down in price!
    I've read a lot of benmark tests, and the Crucial and Samsung EVO, are the fastest and cheapest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    I disabled automatic updates and automatic virus scans, now I *own* my own computer.

    Whenever I go to sleep for good, no matter what the time of day, *then* I unleash the guard dogs, never ever when I am using or even might need it.

    And when I wake up, IF anything is still running, I plain cancel it, period.

    I´m missing nothing, whatever was not updated/scanned today, will be tonight ... while I sleep.
    It's really isn't that simple. The processes are scheduled to start during down time ( I don't get much of that). So they want to run at say 1am. Computer is off so won't actually run until I next use it. Halting the process tree isn't practical either and the darn thing still has to get it's work done sometime. All you doing is postponing the inevitable. You're also overlooking the AV scan that runs everytime an email arrives, download etc.

    Trust me, as SSD is bliss by comparison as everything gets done quickly.

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    Trust me, as SSD is bliss by comparison as everything get done quickly.
    Hey Nick?
    Would it be possible to run and show us a benchmark test on the two computers with SSDs?
    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Hey Nick?
    Would it be possible to run and show us a benchmark test on the two computers with SSDs?
    Thanks in advance.
    T
    Here's mine using hdtune. Averages over 350MB/s.

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    SSD speed in your own computer or laptop will depend on how old, and what version of SATA Controller you have.
    SATA 3 is required to get the ner 600/mbs


    SATA I (revision 1.x) interface, formally known as SATA 1.5Gb/s, is the first generation SATA interface running at 1.5 Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 150MB/s.

    SATA II (revision 2.x) interface, formally known as SATA 3Gb/s, is a second generation SATA interface running at 3.0 Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 300MB/s.

    SATA III (revision 3.x) interface, formally known as SATA 6Gb/s, is a third generation SATA interface running at 6.0Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 600MB/s. This interface is backwards compatible with SATA 3 Gb/s interface.

    Not sure how you check windows for SATA controller version.

    In Ubuntu linux use this command
    Mine is 6Gbps, or SATA 3.

    root@Mubu4:~# dmesg | grep SATA
    [ 2.098891] ahci 0000:00:11.0: AHCI 0001.0300 32 slots 2 ports 6 Gbps 0x3 impl SATA mode
    [ 2.113117] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xf056c000 port 0xf056c100 irq 19
    [ 2.113119] ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xf056c000 port 0xf056c180 irq 19
    [ 2.612232] ata1: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
    [ 2.612255] ata2: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
    [13468.870745] ata2: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
    [13471.042961] ata1: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
    root@Mubu4:~#

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    I picked up a Samsung 860 EVO 2.5 inch 1TB SATA SSD, at Bestbuy.
    I put it in my oldest of the 3 laptops. The one I use so much in the Living Room.
    It is a HP with a A10 AMD processor.
    I still don't have it fully loaded, but got it up enough to log on to the MEF.
    This thing flies, it really made a big difference.
    Everyone is right, once you use a SSD, it is hard to go back to HD.
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    Here's the screenshot of the old spinnig HD, and the new 860 EVO SSD.
    A big difference!

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    I don't know if this is true for the current SSDs being sold but I remember hearing that SSDs have a limited number of read/write events for each bit. Does anyone have related information on this?

    I realize that everything has a limit and maybe the life concern only applies to the earlier generations of SSDs. In addition, maybe the life comment is insignificant because the actual SSD life is longer than a mechanical drive anyway. However, since I've read/heard the comment multiple time I'm interested if anyone has background information to add.

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    Found this article. Doesn't seem to be much of an issue compared to a drive with moving parts.

    https://www.compuram.de/blog/en/the-...-to-take-care/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Found this article. Doesn't seem to be much of an issue compared to a drive with moving parts.

    https://www.compuram.de/blog/en/the-...-to-take-care/
    Thanks.
    Overall the intent of that article sounds good but it sure was a hard read for me. Maybe it was a google language translation.

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    Yes, I'll admit I didn't read it in depth. A quick skim read told me what I wanted to know, though. Basically, modern SSD's should last much longer than a drive with moving parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Can you benchmark them for us?
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    Hmmm I'm quantitative all day, at home I usually go all touchy feely . Along those lines my new SSDs feel fast!

    My ancient laptop was reborn with a Samsung SSD; I decided to not replace it over a year ago after ditching the mag spinner!

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    Mine came today blank, but looks like this now.
    Linux only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    My ancient laptop was reborn with a Samsung SSD
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboy View Post
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.
    Mine is a dual core t4200@ 2 ghz 4 gig ram. 100gig kingston ssd brought this thing to life. I like the almost instant boot from sleep or hibernation much better than a Sata drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboy View Post
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.
    If you can determine if it is SATA 1, 2, or 3.?
    If 2 or 3 I would think it would be feasible.

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    After running the new Samsung 860 EVO, for a day, all I can say is WOW!
    i used to spend money on Ram, and Ram does speed things up to a point, but the SSD makes more difference than anything so far.
    Boot up in seconds instead of minutes. I spend more time inputting passwords, and bootup optins than actual boot time.
    This one will get me by for now, but would like to upgrade the other computers in the house.
    Hopefully the SSD revolution, will keep going, and will keep getting cheaper.
    SSD speeds vary greatly, as well as do prices. Diligence pays off!
    GL,
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    After running the new Samsung 860 EVO, for a day, all I can say is WOW!
    i used to spend money on Ram, and Ram does speed things up to a point, but the SSD makes more difference than anything so far.
    Boot up in seconds instead of minutes. I spend more time inputting passwords, and bootup optins than actual boot time.
    This one will get me by for now, but would like to upgrade the other computers in the house.
    Hopefully the SSD revolution, will keep going, and will keep getting cheaper.
    SSD speeds vary greatly, as well as do prices.
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    Well if you look at it correctly your running your OS on a writable ram chip. They kick ass I'm on my first one, so I have no idea how long it will last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosaj View Post
    Well if you look at it correctly your running your OS on a writable ram chip. They kick ass I'm on my first one, so I have no idea how long it will last.

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    NVMe is the next big evolution with laptops, but They're still pricey.
    They are about 4-6 times faster than SATA SSDs.
    I want to put one of those in the new HP i7 I got black friday, but need to save more pennies first.
    Here's the benchmark test between the Samsung 860 ssd, and the samsung 970 NVMe SSD drive.
    https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compar.../m494033vs3949
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    **Note, NVMe SSDs only fit the newest laptops, and require the NVMe Connector near the Ram Memory. So don't buy a NVMe SSD, until you know your Laptop is equipped to handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboy View Post
    How ancient is your laptop? I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for an old one I have.
    Its a >10 year old Acer Aspire 1810T, which is a tiny 11" ultraportable with the semi rare 1.3-GHz Intel Pentium SU7300 CPU.
    Its so portable and its 8h battery life was a godsend when I commuted to SF by air for a year. The 256Gb Samsung 2.5" drive was spendy a couple years back but way less than a new laptop, well worth the upgrade.

    I am not gaming or doing CAD on this (just molecular modeling and some ray tracing!) but thats what the desktop is for.

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    Some SSD's were on sale around black friday, but they went back up to full retail before Christmas.
    They are going back down again now, as computer parts usually do around tax season.
    Here's a pretty good deal for a 1TB NVMe, I would like to put one in my newest i7 HP, I bought black friday.
    To use this type SSD, a NVME slot is required.
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...D=7828656&SID=
    I had rather have the faster Samsung 960 EVO drive, but it is more than twice as much.
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...D=7828656&SID=
    Hopefully they will keep coming down, and I can spring the trap for one soon?
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    My new Intel 660P NVMe 1TB SSD drive, came in today.
    I ordered it through Amazon, and it cost $112.99, with free shipping.
    I am installing it into the HP i7 Laptop I bought last black friday, on sale at Office Depot.
    The biggest hassle installing anything into a new laptop, is laptop disassembly.
    The newer laptops, have no rear doors, removal covers, or external access.
    This same process is required to install the SSD, RAM, HDD, or even a new battery.
    First with the laptop closed, and all cables unplugged, flip the laptop upside down and remove the 11 screws from the back of the laptop.
    7 of the screws are under the rubber glue on strips.
    Be careful lifting the rubber strips.
    Next flip the laptop back over and with a thin blade or credit card, unsnap the back from the main body of the computer.(This can be tricky, especially the first time it is taken apart)
    Close the computer, flip it back over and lift off the rear case.
    See enclosed pictures.
    Next I remove the internal battery by removing 3 screws, and lifting out the battery.
    Discharge any ESD from your body, by touching the ground bus of the computer.
    I do this before I handle the new SSD.
    A discharge ground strap clipped to the chassis ground, can also be used, if you have one.
    Install the new NVMe SSD, and replace the NVMe hold down screw.
    You'll notice by the pictures that I have one more RAM slot available, and another 8GB of RAM can be installed later, if I choose to.
    Also in the pictures, you will see the 1TB WD blue HDD, on the left side.
    I will leave the HDD installed for the time being, to make it easy to transfer files from the HDD to the SSD.
    Put it all back together, it is now ready to power up and start loading files and OS. I will probably remove the HDD at a later time.
    I will make another post, to demonstrate how the SSD works, and benchmark tests.
    This has been a fun project, so far!
    Keeping my fingers crossed, that it works correctly, after I get it buttoned back up!
    T

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    I got the NVMe 1TB all installed, and I did take it back apart, and removed the SATA HDD.
    It runs and loads fast and boot time is under 12 seconds.
    The Benchmark test, which I run on any new drive, gives mixed results.
    It has a very fast read, and a much slower write than expected.
    It was a discount drive, and is plenty fast for my use. So I'm going to keep it.
    After adding both types of SSDs, SATA, and NVMe, I think the SATA 2.5 inch Samsung 860 evo, is a better bang for the buck.
    I do recommend the SSD's over the HDDs most computers come with.
    It's been an interesting project, we don't always get the expected results!
    Here are screenshots.

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    **As a side note, if I had another laptop with NVMe, I could put it in?
    I would test it to see if the slow write is the computer, or SSD drive issue.
    The other 3 laptops in the house only have SATA 2.5 inch drives.

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    Thinking about another Samsung 860EVO 1TB.
    Best Buy, has some refurb certified.
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...?skuId=6252149
    I wonder if it would bite me to buy a refurb, or if I could save $30-40 bucks and come out OK?
    T

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    I expect these are customer returns that have been tested to ensure they are OK. I would say they are as good as new.

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    I too bought an SSD return at Frys - a Samsung 860EVO 1 TB in fact!!! I have used it for testing Backups and Clones. Must have formatted the thing a half dozen times - Works great!!

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