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    Strat trem tune spiel.

    Anyone know a trick to keep strings from going out of tune using the trem on a strat? I followed a gtr tech's YTube clip, a while ago.. but weirdly just can't get the hang of it again. Any soloutions for you?

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    Normally.. it’s any point of friction with the strings. First though... make sure you know how to put on strings correctly and stretch them in. I’ve had to show gigging guitarist with 30 years experience how to ”lock” their strings. (They also tend to “deck” their trems.) Once that is stable.. pencil lead in the nut slots and on the bridge saddles, then a tiny spot of oil on the string trees helps a lot. BUT.. I learned a long time ago that I don’t know everything. A PRO setup from a reputable shop is well worth the money. That said.. I usually have to adjust their adjustments. Also. every Strat is different.. some are more stubborn than others. The more they are played.. the more they cooperate.

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    Terrific thanks. wow this threads so fkn useful I just cant believe it

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    There's a good reason the Floyd Rose was invented. Fender experimented a lot with improvements to their non locking bridges in the 80's and all those designs have been abandoned. Jimi Hendrix can be seen tuning and stretching strings in the midst of performing on some footage because the trem doesn't stay in tune. Other than Jimi it's rare to see anyone actually use a Strat trem unless they no longer need the guitar to be in tune. ie: the end of the song. I (personally) keep mine flat to the body and don't use it.

    You probably saw all the standard stuff in your research, but locking tuners, graphite powder in the nut or a roller nut and string stretching are the standard solutions. Dan Torres use to sell string sets where he soldered the twists at the ball end of the strings and that was reported to help a little. I never tried it.

    It's simply an under designed piece of hardware for the job. Asking how to keep it in tune is akin to asking how you might tow your trailer with a Volkswagen Beetle.

    And don't get snarky At the very least these are honest answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    There's a good reason the Floyd Rose was invented. Fender experimented a lot with improvements to their non locking bridges in the 80's and all those designs have been abandoned. Jimi Hendrix can be seen tuning and stretching strings in the midst of performing on some footage because the trem doesn't stay in tune. Other than Jimi it's rare to see anyone actually use a Strat trem unless they no longer need the guitar to be in tune. ie: the end of the song. I (personally) keep mine flat to the body and don't use it.

    You probably saw all the standard stuff in your research, but locking tuners, graphite powder in the nut or a roller nut and string stretching are the standard solutions. Dan Torres use to sell string sets where he soldered the twists at the ball end of the strings and that was reported to help a little. I never tried it.

    It's simply an under designed piece of hardware for the job. Asking how to keep it in tune is akin to asking how you might tow your trailer with a Volkswagen Beetle.

    And don't get snarky At the very least these are honest answers.
    You mean like this?

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    Galeazzo Frudua videos on YT

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexradium View Post
    Galeazzo Frudua videos on YT
    THAT was it. That's the trick I tried/ found on YT. It worked splendidly I was really chuffed. Put gtr away/ lost interest as I tend to do, came back many months later.. tried same thing again, didn't work. Couldn't work out why not. Hence my thread. I was wondering if there were any other tricks exactly like this.. maybe not then.

    Floyd Rose.. yes understood, the Ozrics chaps must swear by them for eg.. but any addition would ruin my strat's look, its a sunburst 'looker' with a jazzmaster neck.

    Please don't tell me that was the inventor's name. Please tell me he used his daughter's name & reversed the christian/ surname around bc it sounded cool. Please.

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    Other than Jimi it's rare to see anyone actually use a Strat trem unless they no longer need the guitar to be in tune. ie: the end of the song.
    SRV used his floating vintage trem a lot. To me nothing compares to a vintage type (steel) strat trem in terms of feel and sound. It requires some sensitivity/experience and good maintenance to keep the guitar in tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chief View Post
    Please don't tell me that was the inventor's name. Please tell me he used his daughter's name & reversed the christian/ surname around bc it sounded cool. Please.
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    Hizzown bad self. That's his name, he wears it loud & proud. Good man! He invented a terrific whammy system & I like it so there.

    Can't argue with a third of a century of success. to Floyd Rose !

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    Perhaps 'Pink Floyd' fooled you into thinking Floyd was a surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    Perhaps 'Pink Floyd' fooled you into thinking Floyd was a surname.
    Well, Floyd is posing with a - sort of - pink guitar in the Kramer ad. To add to the cornfusion.

    "By the way, which one is Pink?"

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    my way,i use some teflon grease on the nut(which has to be cut and sanded perfectly),on the string tree,on top of the saddles and remove the sharp angle on the 6 holes in the plate.
    There are differences if the trem is set floating or flat to the top.
    There can be problems with the 6 screws touching up with the plate.
    Another good source for set ups is the book by Erlewine "how to make your guitar play great".

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    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    Perhaps 'Pink Floyd' fooled you into thinking Floyd was a surname.
    So you telling me.. his christian name, was Floyd? no look, watching dexter season 4 I spat my lime juice out laughing when the baby's called .. Harrison. But I can't cope with Floyd..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chief View Post
    So you telling me.. his christian name, was Floyd? no look, watching dexter season 4 I spat my lime juice out laughing when the baby's called .. Harrison. But I can't cope with Floyd..
    Parents sometimes do funny things.



    You have a brand new prince named what, Archie? 6th in line for the throne? If he ever managed to become king, King Archie I. And if not, he's still Prince Archie. Lookin' for company: Jughead, Betty, Veronica, Mister Weatherbee and the rest. Or maybe the other Archie, da one wit' Edith. I rest my case.

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    There are some good tips on the Kinman site that worked pretty well with my strat. The key for me was having less than 1 turn of the string on the tuning peg.
    https://kinman.com/perfect-guitar.php#stayingInTune

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    Another little thing that can get overlooked: sometimes string trees have a burr on the underside of the edges where the string can hang up. It's worth taking them off and making sure that the channels for the strings are nice and smooth.

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    Honestly I don’t care for Floyds.. but I’m old school I don’t care for EMG pickups either. I used my Strats “half blocked” for years then changed to a full float as I got more proficient in setting them up. They are finicky but so is a Floyd. If you don’t think a Strat Trem can stay in tune check out Jeff Beck or SRV. Guess it comes down to what you are used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf64 View Post
    There are some good tips on the Kinman site that worked pretty well with my strat. The key for me was having less than 1 turn of the string on the tuning peg.
    https://kinman.com/perfect-guitar.php#stayingInTune
    I saved that page to read later. Looks like lots of good info. I like graduated locking tuners on a strat. They keep wraps to a min. and eliminate string trees. I also like trem stabilizers. For me they improve the sound and feel.(not trem bar feel, finger bend feel)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmartn149 View Post
    For me they improve the sound and feel.(not trem bar feel, finger bend feel)
    Wow! That's tender fingers Sort of the equivalent of "golden ears" in this genre. I'm impressed.

    And I'm not teasing about it. I've recognized the bend characteristics of guitars ranging from floating, locking trems to fixed bridges. But I don't think I was ever sensitive enough to detect the minor difference in peg head stagger!

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    But I don't think I was ever sensitive enough to detect the minor difference in peg head stagger!
    Not the tuners, the trem stabilizer. It makes the guitar feel and sound more like a fixed bridge, while still allowing you to pull up on the bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmartn149 View Post
    ...the trem stabilizer... makes the guitar feel and sound more like a fixed bridge, while still allowing you to pull up on the bar.
    I've never tried one out, so thanks for the tip. Any model you'd recommend? Do they create a notchy dead zone in the trem arm movement? I've been put off them by the fear that they will make subtle degrees of vibrato and bends more awkward.

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    I also like trem stabilizers.
    Trem stabilizers have been available since almost 40 years. I occasionally installed them on demand.
    I don't feel that they improve tuning stability and would not recommend them for a nice and even chord vibrato a la SRV's "Lenny". They somewhat help to reduce detuning of the other strings when bending and when a string breaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmholtz View Post
    Trem stabilizers have been available since almost 40 years. I occasionally installed them on demand.
    I don't feel that they improve tuning stability and would not recommend them for a nice and even chord vibrato a la SRV's "Lenny". They somewhat help to reduce detuning of the other strings when bending and when a string breaks.
    Yep That about sums it up. They do clunk a bit at the transition point. Lenny would be difficult, and you might hear the clunk if your pups were too micro phonic. you will still go a bit out of tune if you break a string, but the bridge doesn't pull forward when bending (I like that) I think most tuning issues are at the other end of the guitar.

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    Lenny would be difficult, and you might hear the clunk if your pups were too micro phonic
    On second thought, I'm not sure about that. I'm out of town now, but when I'm home next week I'll check it out and report back.

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    I was really asking what could be done with the trem as it is, a simple std strat trem.. rather than adding contraptions.

    Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try the lubricating & filing away sharp edges here n there.

    Whose this Lenny then is it Fat Lenny I wonder? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8nRgAK-Qc4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chief View Post
    I was really asking what could be done with the trem as it is, a simple std strat trem.. rather than adding contraptions.
    Haven't seen any mention of the spring and claw set up, if you check out live photo's of SRV, Jimi, VH ,JB, take note of the spring arrangement and how tight they have the claw screwed in . As others have mentioned straight string pull is critical ,string gauge comes into play as well . And the real fun is, you spend hours getting it set up,change strings and get to start all over again . Don't get discouraged and have fun with it !! As a back up practice tuning on the fly

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