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    Marshall, what were you thinking shiipping a transformer like this???

    It's probably a good thing my boss he wanted to deal with Marshall, and didn't let me call Marshall service today after receiving this transformer.
    Some brief context... I customer bought a used Purple Vintage/Modern Marshall combo recently. What he didn't know was that particular amp was fitted with a 240V mains transformer and didn't have option for both import and export wiring. So he opted for us to order and install a replacement.
    So, transformer arrived with some other packages earlier today. When I was ready, I got the amp up on my bench, and went to grab the transformer so I could start the job. When went over, I noticed the outside of the box was in terrible shape, and as I picked it up I felt the transformer sliding around in the box. I paused and thought "Did someone actually just ship a mains transformer just loose in and thin cardboard box?"
    At this point I thought we had purchased the transformer from an aftermarket vendor who had no idea what they were doing. But I couldn't believe it when I found out this was shipped right from marshall's own inventory! This is arguably 1 of the two biggest manufacturers in musical amplifiers going on the last 70 years, and I can't even fathom an amateur with the most basic shred of competence shipping some thing like this. I was hoping for at least some bubble wrap or heavy paper to surround the transformer when I opened the box, but there was nothing. I mean this took so much damage in the shipping. The terminals and molded assembly are an absolute mess, and the corners of the steel lamination have been chipped or dented in with a edge damaged.
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    Ouch!!!
    Post/Mail/Freight/Courier/whatever are *animals* ; no doubt about that, but it does not excuse Marshall, who should know about it (and which obviously does, given the zillion shippings they do per Month) from properly packing stuff.

    Hey, even EBayers usually ship stuff in a way safer way.

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    Quality is down in many areas, and it won't get better I fear.

    I remember several years back buying new aluminum rims from my classic car. The center cap screws they sent with the rims were the wrong size, or the holes were drilled incorrectly in the rims themselves. Either way, I was left without caps just prior to going to a car show / drag meet. Thank goodness I wasn't actually showing my car, but the car still looked like crap for the ride there, and in the parking lot with no center caps on the new wheels. This took the joy out of the new wheels entirely, but I had a good time that day despite all.

    But here's the kicker, when I called the wheel manufacturer on Monday to complain, the guy at the rim company asked me to calm down "they're just rims" he said ! Yes indeed, the ones your company sold me, the rims you sell as the main function of your business, and the ones that were (all four of them) defective ! I guess he didn't get why I would possibly be so angry... Sounds like something from the twilight zone, or a Bizzaro World comic, but this type of product defect and clueless lack of customer service is on the increase it seems. I now have at best a 75% expectation these days for getting anything that's made correctly, or will be received as specified without issues.

    Back to Electronics, just got a DC to DC Bucking convertor, and I was excited about being able to control the DC output voltage of the 14.4v battery pack for my pedal board (bringing the DC back to around 9V), and guess what ? Lasted all but one week. Cheap Junk. I bought two of them, and let's see how long this one goes before it craps out. Supposed to handle 3A but I'm putting a tiny 200ma through it and well within the top 40v rating, so it barely gets warm, but the first one stopped working cold. Just junk. Why would I expect it not to be ?

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    The transformers I've had from the Marshall factory over the past few years have been ingeniously packaged to prevent damage even under pretty severe conditions. Apart from a stout outer carton, there are two deep cardboard clams that have cutouts that carry a flexible membrane. The material is stretchy, but not too elastic and is puncture-resistant. One clam goes in the box, the transformer is placed in the middle of the membrane then the other clam placed on top. When the box is taped up with their reinforced tape the two clams hold the transformer in a shock-proof suspension. I've had some pretty heavy transformers sent like this.

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    Yes, thatīs the way to do it.

    I am amazed at this one though.

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    I don't think they made transformers, but they received transformers from one of their suppliers. I.m pretty sure no one supplier ship to Marshall transformers like that but pretty much well packed as units. So one question run through my mind. For what the heck to take the tranny off from original packaging who comes from China, India or whatever, and to send it into a ordinary cardboard envelope ? Maybe the original pack contains printed infos which Marshall factory don't want to share, so they preferred to take the tranny off the pack and shipping alone, but surprise they are not able to put it into a new proper envelope, cause they don't use ....to use

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    That one is labelled Dagnall so itīs presumably British made.

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    Wow!
    It took a real dweeb to ship that transformer that way.
    And then they will blame the carrier.

    On a side note: I talked to a UPS rep one day and he said that UPS does not have a 'fragile' policy.
    He stated that a package should be packed that the inner contents can survive if the carton is dropped from a 5 foot level.
    Why?
    That is the height of there conveyor system.
    If the carton falls off, that is how far it will drop.

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    Did you check if it is working? Just wondering if there could have been a mix-up and you got shipped something that was actually a defective return or something like that? (although I'd be surprised if they wanted defective TX's returned as shipping would be prohibitive)

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    Quote Originally Posted by catalin gramada View Post
    I don't think they made transformers, but they received transformers from one of their suppliers. I.m pretty sure no one supplier ship to Marshall transformers like that but pretty much well packed as units. So one question run through my mind. For what the heck to take the tranny off from original packaging who comes from China, India or whatever, and to send it into a ordinary cardboard envelope ? Maybe the original pack contains printed infos which Marshall factory don't want to share, so they preferred to take the tranny off the pack and shipping alone, but surprise they are not able to put it into a new proper envelope, cause they don't use ....to use
    Of course Marshall receives their transformers in qty, all well packed, on wooden pallets, sturdily boxed, with separations inside to keep all safe from damage. But what you received from some idiot on Marshall's payroll.......was most certainly NOT supervised by any of their intelligent staff to allow THAT package to escape their factory. Somebody back there needs to know what you received!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevetslab View Post
    what you received from some idiot on Marshall's payroll.......was most certainly NOT supervised by any of their intelligent staff to allow THAT package to escape their factory. Somebody back there needs to know what you received!
    Not the first time this sort of thing has happened. I was commiserating a long time ago - @ 25 years - with the owner of a parts outfit who had just received a big box full of transformers from Marshall. All heaved into the box without a thought as to their arriving in good shape. So there they were after their trip across the ocean & continent, scratched, dented, wires pulled out and their new owner wondering "how the devil am I supposed to sell these as new?" I feel lucky I haven't ever had the need nor opportunity to buy iron direct from Marshall. After hearing these tales of woe, I feel fortunate to have chosen competent US made substitutes whenever possible. As long as the part works as it should, there's no special charm to be found by having it shipped in from the UK. Just extra expense & possibly disappointment.

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    The has happened to me on more than one occasion, although not from Marshall.

    I have noticed that most packages nowadays arrive in an oversized large single walled box with perhaps a couple of large air cushions or a few bits of loose brown paper for 'protection'. The contents are free to fall around and there is next to no real protection. It seems that some bean counter has worked out that it's cheaper to keep the weight and materials and thus shipping costs to a minimum and accept the occasional damage claim. The policy just doesn't work when it come to heavy and very expensive items. Also customer aggravation is not a line item on their spreadsheets. Only when the realize that can improve the bottom line will they make make any changes.

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    I bought a pair of Electrovoice EVM-10s on ebay. When they arrived, both needed to be re-coned because they had rubbed together. Judging from the condition of the package and conversations with the seller, the only explanation that made any sense was that Home Land Security had opened and inspected the package, had cut several tie raps holding the speakers face to face and had re-sealed the package. If the tie raps had simply broken, the pieces would have been in the package.

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    Probably Homeland Insecurity was hoping to find little bags of whitish powder between face to face tied speakers.

    They werenīt sure about what X Ray screens showed because they could not focus well, and they were still shaking, the stuff they intercepted 2 hours earlier was VERY GOOD stuff and they hadnīt fully recovered yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J M Fahey View Post
    Probably Homeland Insecurity was hoping to find little bags of whitish powder between face to face tied speakers.

    They werenīt sure about what X Ray screens showed because they could not focus well, and they were still shaking, the stuff they intercepted 2 hours earlier was VERY GOOD stuff and they hadnīt fully recovered yet.
    How else are you supposed to get that used vintage look?
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    why does Marshall do this?

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    because they can?

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    I'm not sure, but shouldn't x-rays be effected by magnetic fields ?

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    In my opinion the best packaging system is the one used by Hammond. I think itīs urethane foam. Volume is multiplied by approximately eight but the safety is complete.
    I always keep some boxes of this type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loudthud View Post
    I'm not sure, but shouldn't x-rays be effected by magnetic fields ?
    Not quite sure I understand this response, since there is no magnetic field unless the transformer is powered. I couldn't see an xray energizing a transformer but I guess I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosaj View Post
    Not quite sure I understand this response, since there is no magnetic field unless the transformer is powered. I couldn't see an xray energizing a transformer but I guess I could be wrong.

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    It's about the EV speakers, not the Marshall transformers.

    Anyway, imho the magnetic field outside the speakers' voice coil gap wouldn't much interfere with x-rays. Chalk it up to Hopeless "Security Theatre" and their infinite ability to interfere with everything. "Gollee Vern, ya think there might be a bomb in there?" "H'm I dunno Jim-bob, let's pry it open & see..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by loudthud View Post
    I'm not sure, but shouldn't x-rays be effected by magnetic fields ?
    X-Rays are electromagnetic waves and so are not affected by magnetic fields to the best of my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loudthud View Post
    I bought a pair of Electrovoice EVM-10s on ebay. When they arrived, both needed to be re-coned because they had rubbed together. Judging from the condition of the package and conversations with the seller, the only explanation that made any sense was that Home Land Security had opened and inspected the package, had cut several tie raps holding the speakers face to face and had re-sealed the package. If the tie raps had simply broken, the pieces would have been in the package.
    Something like this could have happened. Because the membrane Mick was talking about looked like it was shredded but still inside the box. The only thing is, the contents looked like the would have if they were sitting on a warehouse shelf for a time. Plus, this was shipped from Marshall's US division (which I think has gone through some sort of administrative change?).

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