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    Weird double branded speakers

    A 1965 Vibrolux Reverb came in today with odd double branding. There are Weber stickers on the blue hotdog frames labeling them 10F150 dated 12/2013, but also with Chicago made Fender branded Jensen stickers on the magnets. What in the world? I emailed Weber, but I'm not sure if I will get an answer.

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    It's weird, because it WAS working fine.....

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    Perhaps a Weber recone of the original speaker?

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    Could be a recone as The Dude says, or someone put those stickers on a Weber. Is the 220XXX Jenson date code on the frame? If not, it might be a Weber with stickers.

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    Or Weber sold the Fender speakers to the guy, and stuck their sticker on it. Just like when you buy a car, the dealer often puts a decal on the car

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    There is no date code or Jensen model on the frame. In fact there is nothing on the frame but blue paint.

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    That is a most bizarre (and ugly) colour combination. Never seen that before.
    It sure looks like the Weber 10F150 basket. I wonder if he ran out of magnets on a run and got some from Fender.
    Fender with that magnet/backplate/sticker always uses black basket. Any other speaker with that blue basket always uses silver backplate with different sticker.

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    MAy I suggest, for quick answers from Weber - or most anyone - CALL them on the phone.

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    Weber will recone any speaker into one of their own, too. If you have an old burned out speaker they'll recone it to something of theirs that is close, just reusing the original basket, frame, whatever. I bet it was a blown Fender-branded whatever that Weber remade as one of theirs, probably the closest equivalent to the original...

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    I would have thought the same, but they would have had to re-paint the basket blue, and I can't see why they would.

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    Isn't the bit with the Fender sticker just a cover? Could somebody have swapped the cover (backplate?) from the original speaker onto this Weber just to make the amp look more original?

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    I don't think it is a cover or backplate, to my understanding it is the magnet. I know I am certainly not going to try to pry it up to see.

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    I believe he's talking about just the tan sticker. It's only a paper sticker.

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    Sticker is just paper, but the metal plate it is stuck on is the pole piece of the magnet assembly.

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    ^^^^^^ Yes, that. You don't want to try removing anything but the sticker or you'll destroy the speaker (if one didn't want the sticker).

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    Yes, I was talking about the magnet backplate (black). Fender only uses that with black baskets.

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    I was responding to glebert in post #10 regarding swapping a cover (backplate), which I don't think is the case here. But if it is a Fender sticker applied to a Weber speaker, two things. First the Fender sticker has a small hole in the center which would expose the Weber sticker unless somebody went to great lengths to remove the Weber sticker (also the Fender sticker appears to be smaller in diameter than the Weber sticker, further exposing it). And second, where does one obtain a made in Chicago Jensen/Fender sticker when these Jensens were ceased to be made in the late 60's I think? Seems like an inordinate amount of effort to disguise a blue/green basket speaker.

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    Backplate and removable cover are 2 different things. The 'backplate' is essentially part of the polepiece, like Enzo said.
    I would normally just call the whole assembly stuck onto the basket the magnet, but my point is about this particular polepiece being black as opposed to silver. This sticker is part of this magnet assy. as far as I'm concerned.

    I don't want to keep going on about this, so I'll add a little incentive to keep it interesting.
    I have a $50 (CDN, sorry ) reward if anyone can find me evidence of a standard production speaker that uses this 'hotdog' style basket in BLUE with a magnet that has a BLACK backplate/polepiece. It's just not done, the backplate is always silver.
    My guess is this was some one-off custom order or limited production run because they did not have silver backplates available. Or some other weird situation. But no one would ever approve of this colour combination for standard production. My guess is Weber needed some (magnet assy's) in a pinch or got a crazy deal on them.

    Prove me wrong.


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    How do they sound?

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    That picture doesn't show the color well because of the lighting, but it doesn't look like the regular Jensen blue. Which was darker and tended to go a little green with age yellowing. And still lighter and lower in chroma than current Jensen speakers. Weber blue baskets look a little deeper too, but I'm thinking maybe it's the lighting. As far as I can tell Weber never painted the plates on their magnets. But Jensen did. Lots of black magnet plates on Jensens. I'll wager 6 beer PNW those labels are the reproductions from Reverb (dot) com. They look a little too stylized in color to be actual vintage. The only image I found of that label on an older speaker was more burgundy and had more sheen to the finish. I think those repro stickers are made to "look" vintage-y.

    It's my opinion that those speakers are Weber builds on Weber baskets using Jensen magnets (probably from the speakers that USE TO be in there) and then someone stuck repro stickers on them.

    In which case they probably sound just fine. But let us know anyway.

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    To me it seems clear that these speakers are not original/ OEM. They don't have the Jensen frame code and everything looks too new. Jensen and Oxford ceramics from the era had black frames and backplates. Also the magnet looks too big. I vote for fake stickers. Maybe Weber used black backplates at some time.

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    As far as how they sound, I didn't really crank them up. And also, I am unable to play much these days, I have multiple problems with my left hand. If they are both working, all good as far as I am concerned.

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    Before anyone tries to claim the reward with this one, it doesn't count (not 'hotdog').


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