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    Guild B-series Bass Pickups

    Does anyone happen to know what the dimensions of the covers for these bases were/are? Also, any other details, like type of wire, bobbin dimensions, magnets, etc?

    To avoid any confusion, these are the pickups I'm referring to:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Turner View Post
    Does anyone happen to know what the dimensions of the covers for these bases were/are? Also, any other details, like type of wire, bobbin dimensions, magnets, etc?

    To avoid any confusion, these are the pickups I'm referring to:
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    Thanks in advance.
    Sorry Chris, I can't answer your question; I just wanted to ask: based solely on p'up placement, do anyone think of this bass being good sounding?

    I'd say no, but hey! I'm a guitar player; I don't think that low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtKojak View Post
    I just wanted to ask: based solely on p'up placement, do anyone think of this bass being good sounding?
    LtK, I remember one of these was rented for a recording session I was working on in 1985. At the time, I did notice the unusual pickup placement. Although I wasn't the hired-in bass player, also being a long time Guild fan, I did manage to get a couple licks in to evaluate it for myself. It sounded pretty good - definitely not awful. Along with the rakish body design, I think this series was part of Guild's "dare to be different" attitude. Which works sometimes, and sometimes not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    LtK, I remember one of these was rented for a recording session I was working on in 1985. At the time, I did notice the unusual pickup placement. Although I wasn't the hired-in bass player, also being a long time Guild fan, I did manage to get a couple licks in to evaluate it for myself. It sounded pretty good - definitely not awful. Along with the rakish body design, I think this series was part of Guild's "dare to be different" attitude. Which works sometimes, and sometimes not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtKojak View Post
    Sorry Chris, I can't answer your question; I just wanted to ask: based solely on p'up placement, do anyone think of this bass being good sounding?

    I'd say no, but hey! I'm a guitar player; I don't think that low.
    Well, that pickup placement is used pretty extensively by Rickenbacker for their basses (a pickup at the 24th and 36th fret positions, really). So, I think it would sound pretty good. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Turner View Post
    Well, that pickup placement is used pretty extensively by Rickenbacker for their basses (a pickup at the 24th and 36th fret positions, really). So, I think it would sound pretty good. ;-)
    Agree, I did notice a rough resemblance between the Guild and solid body Rick bass.

    LtK, in some instances I have an uncanny memory. Sometimes including dates, times who was there etc. Back then I kept notebooks on recording projects, with respect to mic placement as well as what instruments & amps used on each track. Of course, that all amounts to nothing. BTW the Guild was a flashy bright blue color.

    I wish I could cram my brain full of important stuff instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    Agree, I did notice a rough resemblance between the Guild and solid body Rick bass.
    Well, for me the equation Rick=GoodTone is just simply not true, but hey! I'm a guitar player. I don't think that low! (BTW, I don't like Rick guitars at all either)

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    I wish I could cram my brain full of important stuff instead.
    You're preaching to the choir, man! Hear, hear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtKojak View Post
    Well, for me the equation Rick=GoodTone is just simply not true, but hey! I'm a guitar player. I don't think that low! (BTW, I don't like Rick guitars at all either)
    Different strokes, etc. Taste can change over time too. Early 70's I was enthralled with Chris Squire's tone with Yes. The band I was in told me, if you get one of those basses you'll be looking for another band. One must sometimes bend to the opinions of others, if only to make grocery & rent money whilst in college. In more recent times I find the Squire Rick tone to be annoying, meanwhile Paul McCartney seems to pull a terrific warm tone from his Rick, besides always playing the best bass lines.

    Looking forward to answers on the Guild. We seem to have diverted the thread. Happens a lot on MEF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    Early 70's I was enthralled with Chris Squire's tone with Yes.
    Oh, no...
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    The band I was in told me, if you get one of those basses you'll be looking for another band.
    You should be grateful to them. Best advice you could've ever gotten, specially considering the zeitgeist then.
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    In more recent times I find the Squire Rick tone to be annoying
    As one should.
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    meanwhile Paul McCartney seems to pull a terrific warm tone from his Rick, besides always playing the best bass lines
    He chose the Rick just because of the neck profile, being the closest to his beloved Hofner, that he didn't want to use with his own band, being too visually associated with the Beatles. Marketing dicet
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    Looking forward to answers on the Guild.
    I bet those have the same specs as Jazz Bass p'ups.
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    We seem to have diverted the thread. Happens a lot on MEF.
    Of course! That's the the feature, not the bug!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtKojak View Post
    I bet those have the same specs as Jazz Bass p'ups.
    Maybe as far number of windings or wire gauge, but I'm pretty sure the coils are shorter and wider than Jazz bass coils.

    But yeah, I'm primarily interested in the dimensions of the covers.

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    Pickup placement affects which string harmonics are emphasized/de-emphasized. Of course this is a function of the string length from the fret to the bridge, and so pickup location affects which notes sound a particular way. So rather than declare a bass horrible or not as LK has done, I would ask the question that often matters in music: what is it good for, what is it not good for? Of course the resonance frequency and Q of those pickups matter, too. Is it too bright, maybe, too dull?
    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    LtK, I remember one of these was rented for a recording session I was working on in 1985. At the time, I did notice the unusual pickup placement. Although I wasn't the hired-in bass player, also being a long time Guild fan, I did manage to get a couple licks in to evaluate it for myself. It sounded pretty good - definitely not awful. Along with the rakish body design, I think this series was part of Guild's "dare to be different" attitude. Which works sometimes, and sometimes not.

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    I know this is going off topic from the OP, but the bass has a soft maple body and hard maple neck, so very bright/upper mid-rangy in terms of the bass's resonance, if you had the pickups in the Jazz bass position it'd be way bright and honkey. Move them further into the scale and you get nice controlled lows and plenty of detail. Yeh like a Ric (hard Maple through-neck + soft maple wings) same practice. Ric's are a great design resonantly but are made terribly, so some of them sound great but a lot don't.

    pickups wise, don't know what they were (though look to be a Jazz bass pickup in a rectangular cover) but something wound with 44awg and A5 would work well with these woods and these pu positions, if the OP was trying make some pickups for one of these basses.

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    wait... nope that's an ash body, just weird lighting on the pic. Well assuming it's northern ash, then similar density to soft maple and the same applies, grain is too tight to be swamp-ash

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    Quote Originally Posted by jop120 View Post
    but something wound with 44awg and A5 would work well with these woods and these pu positions, if the OP was trying make some pickups for one of these basses.
    This is an example of what I meant in that other discussion. #44 and A5 is not nearly as useful design knowledge as inductance and ac resistance at a couple of frequencies. Or better yet, just measure the impedance as a function of frequency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Sulzer View Post
    This is an example of what I meant in that other discussion. #44 and A5 is not nearly as useful design knowledge as inductance and ac resistance at a couple of frequencies. Or better yet, just measure the impedance as a function of frequency.
    really? I bet that information would make limited sense to a lot of people winding pickups. starting with #44 and A5 would be a good idea IMO for these woods and PU placement, and I've made a quite lot of basses like this and it's a winning combination. Sure he might need to wind up a few versions before getting it right, but you'd still have to wind up test coils if you wanted to go down the sciencey route and I bet it'd take a lot longer and wouldn't produce something that actually sounded better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jop120 View Post
    I know this is going off topic from the OP, but the bass has a soft maple body and hard maple neck, so very bright/upper mid-rangy in terms of the bass's resonance, if you had the pickups in the Jazz bass position it'd be way bright and honkey. Move them further into the scale and you get nice controlled lows and plenty of detail. Yeh like a Ric (hard Maple through-neck + soft maple wings) same practice. Ric's are a great design resonantly but are made terribly, so some of them sound great but a lot don't.

    pickups wise, don't know what they were (though look to be a Jazz bass pickup in a rectangular cover) but something wound with 44awg and A5 would work well with these woods and these pu positions, if the OP was trying make some pickups for one of these basses.

    I was mainly looking for dimensions, not because I necessarily want to make pickups for these basses, but rather because I wanted to know if a pickup design I've been playing with would fit in those routes.

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    Sorry, don't know dimensions, but just eyeballing it, your pickups look a little shorter in length and a little bit wider.
    The pickup cavities are covered by the pickguard, more often than not a factory bass where the pickguard surrounds the pickups and also mounts the controls, the cavities are a few mm bigger than the pickups, as this makes assembly easier.

    So if you were prepared to re-make the pickguard, there's a fair chance they'd fit and worse case scenario you might have to route off a little extra wood.

    Also your pickups look fairly shallow, so there's a good chance depth wouldn't be an issue.

    If you know somwone with or selling one of these basses you could ask them to measure the pickups length & width.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jop120 View Post
    Sorry, don't know dimensions, but just eyeballing it, your pickups look a little shorter in length and a little bit wider.
    The pickup cavities are covered by the pickguard, more often than not a factory bass where the pickguard surrounds the pickups and also mounts the controls, the cavities are a few mm bigger than the pickups, as this makes assembly easier.

    So if you were prepared to re-make the pickguard, there's a fair chance they'd fit and worse case scenario you might have to route off a little extra wood.

    Also your pickups look fairly shallow, so there's a good chance depth wouldn't be an issue.

    If you know somwone with or selling one of these basses you could ask them to measure the pickups length & width.

    That was the next step... finding an owner and asking them a favor.

    With the covers, my pickups are 3.95" x 1.3" x 0.75", so yeah, fairly shallow, I suppose. As for the coils themselves, they're .25" tall... I was going for a Rickenbacker vibe, and they definitely have that going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko Ursin View Post

    Not directly, but it did point me to the Let's Talk Guild forum! Hopefully someone there might have the measurements.

    Thanks!

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    I have the measurements somewhere from 10-15 years ago. I'm surprised I haven't already posted them here. Perhaps worth checking the Ampage archives? To be honest they look a little like some of the Eko bass pickups from Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David King View Post
    I have the measurements somewhere from 10-15 years ago. I'm surprised I haven't already posted them here. Perhaps worth checking the Ampage archives? To be honest they look a little like some of the Eko bass pickups from Italy.
    Someone over in the Let's Talk Guild forum posted measurements.

    Said they were 1.160" X 3.748"... wasn't sure about depth.

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    Are you still looking for dimensions? I've got one of these coming in for some custom pickups next week. Can take measurements then if you want

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    Quote Originally Posted by jop120 View Post
    Are you still looking for dimensions? I've got one of these coming in for some custom pickups next week. Can take measurements then if you want
    Sure, that would be great!

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    Hi Chris, Bass is in the workshop, as expected the cavities are quite a bit bigger under the pickguard, so by routing the pickguard you should be able to fit your pickups. The routing looks pretty sloppy, so it's possible there could be a difference from the measurements that came off this bass to another one.

    PU covers LxWxH - 95.3 x 29.5 x 15.0mm (corner radius approx 3mm - 1/8")

    NPU Cavity 107.5 x 37 x 15.5mm (corner radius approx 1/4" but pretty sloppy)

    BPU Cavity 109.0 x 34.5 x 11.3mm (corner radius approx 1/4" but pretty sloppy)

    Bass will be in the workshop for 10days-2week approx, so if you need any other dims, let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jop120 View Post
    Hi Chris, Bass is in the workshop, as expected the cavities are quite a bit bigger under the pickguard, so by routing the pickguard you should be able to fit your pickups. The routing looks pretty sloppy, so it's possible there could be a difference from the measurements that came off this bass to another one.

    PU covers LxWxH - 95.3 x 29.5 x 15.0mm (corner radius approx 3mm - 1/8")

    NPU Cavity 107.5 x 37 x 15.5mm (corner radius approx 1/4" but pretty sloppy)

    BPU Cavity 109.0 x 34.5 x 11.3mm (corner radius approx 1/4" but pretty sloppy)

    Bass will be in the workshop for 10days-2week approx, so if you need any other dims, let me know.

    Thanks! I guess that with a pickguard on, you don't need to be all that great with the router. ;-)

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