Anyone familiar with Utah speaker in Pro Reverb?

[Alan0354]

I have been testing a few speakers including a 100W Celection inside the Marshall JCM900 combo, A KMC combo with Celection G12T-75 and G12T-75 installed into a closed Fender GE112 cabinet, GE112 cabinet with original speaker and the GE112 speaker installed in the KMC combo. None sounds as good as the Pro Reverb. Both the Celections are too bassy and too much of the highs.

The GE112 closed cabinet is just too bassy, it's tubby. Both speakers are just having too much highs like you have a presence control up in the amp, more so than a bright switch.

Utah speaker is no longer available. Any suggestion in a reasonable price speaker that don't have a lot of bass and highs like the Utah? Basically, I think it's cheap speaker with limited frequency response and more mid heavy!!!

Did Fender Used Jensen and Eminence speakers. Which model is the closest?

Thanks

[J M Fahey]

What you hear and like is a more nasal/midrangey speaker.
Usually considered not the best quality, but if that speaker EQ is what matches your amp best ....then for you is best.

I bet you will find relatively cheap "Fender" labelled Oxford made speakers, just google their images and you'll soon recognize them by the characteristic frame hole pattern.

The original Fender speakers were Jensen, but since it was such a big customer, others wanted to get the lucrative market, basically by underselling Jensen.
Some years they succeeded, I bet Fender signed 1 year contracts for many thousand speakers with the "winner".

So they are all "black Fender speakers with a little blue label" , what tells which is which is the frame hole pattern.

Utah / Oxford, even stamped basket small magnet Electrovoice and *maybe* even the odd Pyle were all "Jensen wannabes" , usually roughly the same but made with wider gaps (to save cost) so less magnetic flux, less bass and treble, relatively middier sound .... just what you are looking for.

So in a nutshell look for old Fender speakers not made by jensen.
Easy to recognize in pictures showing the frame.

If visible, EIA codes printed in the frame also help.

Google "speaker EIA codes" and print the page for reference.

[Alan0354]

I really appreciate your info. Now the next question is I want to find a new speaker still selling on the market so if I design an amp, I can buy the speaker. I hope they are cheap as you said those are cheap mid rangy speakers. What speakers Fender uses in their reissue amps?

BTW, do you think Fender use these cheap speaker and make their amp sounds good with it.

Thanks, I really appreciate your post.

[Alan0354]

I have since experimented more, I took one of the Utah speaker out and put it in both the GE112 and the KMC open back cabinet. It still does not sound as good as in the Pro Reverb. I can understand the GE112 being a closed cabinet, but the KMC is a 1X12" combo open back. Why is it sound different from the Pro Reverb. The Pro Reverb is a 2X12", but I put in the Celection G12T-75, just not connected to close up the hole.

BTW, the Celection sounds better in the Pro Reverb. I am totally loss. I am not that good with the acoustics.

BTW, anyone know another cheap brand speaker that they still sell new that is mid rangy like the Utah?

[Alan0354]

Anyone has suggestion to new speakers that has the mid rangy sound like the ones in the stock Fenders?

[J M Fahey]

Well, *lots* of people pull ther stock Fender speakers (which usually are mid/low cost Eminences) to put Celestions and expensive Eminences there and sell the old ones for $20/25 on Craigslist and EBay .... or don't even care to sell them ("not worth the bother") and junk them or best case put them in some cardboard box in the attic .
Ask at some local Music Shop to ring you when somebody buys new better speakers for his Blues De Ville or similar.

Or order a Weber speaker, telling them your preference.

[Alan0354]

Well, *lots* of people pull ther stock Fender speakers (which usually are mid/low cost Eminences) to put Celestions and expensive Eminences there and sell the old ones for $20/25 on Craigslist and EBay .... or don't even care to sell them ("not worth the bother") and junk them or best case put them in some cardboard box in the attic .
Ask at some local Music Shop to ring you when somebody buys new better speakers for his Blues De Ville or similar.

Or order a Weber speaker, telling them your preference.

Thanks, I mainly want new speakers I can order because if I produce an amp, I have to be able to find a consistent source and new.

So do you have any model of Weber or Eminence speaker you can think of?

[J M Fahey]

Not really, because the final judge will be your ears, rather than mine.

I can suggest some guidelines, but you have the final word.

*If* you want a consistent supplier, I'd talk with Weber, see what they suggest based on what you like, maybe ask for a couple different samples to compare, and ask him to file the "recipe" under your name for future reference.

Eminence can do exactly the same, but their minimum orders will be in the 100's .

If you get them in a very good mood, maybe they accept "only" 50 minimum, which still is too much, specially if you want some extra changes.