The electric guitars nearest kin requests you stop killing off our family members:)

[Chuck H]

Ok... Ok... You guy's keep it in your pants.

I agree. I'm actually not the one raping old organs (For parts.). And I've actually serviced more organs than I've ruined (A testament to my skills... As a repair tech! Get your minds right. I'm hear all week).

It's true. There was an old, badly rusted and rickety Conn jobbie that I scavenged the tubes from and left where I found it by the road side, but I once repaired a much nicer one for a little old lady at a retirement home. I'm not the guy pulling the chassis and selling them on that big auction site. I actually took a lot of heat here once for salvaging the iron from an old The Fisher stereo amp. After that I never did it again. I gave the PT to a guy that needed it for an actual Fisher amp, one of the OT's went into a very good sounding guitar amp and the other is on the shelf destined for the same. Oh, I did once turn the parts from a crappy old VOM record player into an amp. Do those count???

Point is I'm not proud of what I've done. I've only done it a little bit. I guess I was confused then. What can I say? It was a cheap thrill. My wife will be happy for the change too. I think she always knew I was doing it and was afraid I might bring one home some day. No more organs for this guy. Try the veal.

[Enzo]

I don't usually involve myself in killing old organs either. But I have to say, how many table radios do I need on the living room end tables? How many VOM record players do we need? One per room? Got a guy over in DIYAudio collects portable TV sets, better not trash those. MY grandfather had mantle clocks just ALL over the freaking house.

Korg BX3, Hammond XK3 Sounds like a B3, plays like a B3, has drawbars like a B3, hell the Hammond even has the reverse color preset keys at the end. I think the organ sound is already there to inspire the next Keith Emerson. I challenge anyone to listen to it in a song and tell me if it is a B3 or a synth. Damn few of you.

I have a pile of old stereo receivers and amps. Unless it becomes this years darling of the ebay, these things might fetch $40 running. And I have a nice enough old Marantz here that needs some STK puck that no one has anymore. Had a nice JVC receiver that had bad control IC in the preamp. Some large custom IC that routed signals for I/O and other stuff. I'd have to find that IC at JVC parts, if they even had it any longer. Not cheap, plus shipping. How much do I need to put into these old things just to not throw them out. I'd never get it back selling them. If I part them out, then someone might use the power transformer, someone might use the knobs or feet, etc. Seems like parted out it means less landfill.


I have parted out all the old VCRs I had, should I have saved them? Oh wait, at home I have a fully functioning VHS and a good Beta deck. Neither has been powered up in many years. OK, I'll keep them to go with all the tapes I never watch. Unlike modern kids, I do listen to audio CDs now and then. I also have a collection of cassette tapes I used to listen to in the car, and when people were still bringing in those 4-track cassette recorders popular in the 80s. What is the last time you listened to a cassette?

[Heliotricity]

What is the last time you listened to a cassette?

All the time, got a little boombox in my room. Course I converted my favorite tapes to digital for itunes a way back. Got a huge stack of LPs and listen to those on the main stereo, so many great records, not all the best quality but great stuff. And to top it off I'd still choose to read an actual book over an eBook.

Theres a small jazz club near me in Detroit where they have a house B3 and leslie 122, thing sounds absolutely smokin'. They had a guy in there once playing some fancy new Nord and sim, one of the "close your eyes and you won't be able to tell its not a B3" things, but it just wasn't the same. Sounded good, but something was definitely missing.

[Chuck H]

I do think the RoHS compliant solder was specifically put into order to keep landfills from becoming lead concentrated land. Technologies change. Old systems become outdated and incompatible or parts become scarce and expensive. The worst scenario is of course the intentionally disposable things like cell phones, blu-ray players, laptops, computer accessories, 5x1 surround sound systems and such. All the cheap stuff that, no matter how much of it we buy we just can't seem to fill the hole in our lives from not getting outside anymore!?! But I digress.

My point is just that old electronic technology gets thrown out. A lot. What does anyone need a 1977 Magnavox console TV/stereo in simulated wood grain cabinet for!?! Some stuff is obviously cooler than other stuff. A visit to any hot rod show will reveal that. None of those cars is going to be a 1980 Chevy Citation. So what do we do with the Citation?.. So the best way I've seen to preserve any historic aspect of a bygone technology is to support like minded organizations. People who will hunt these things own and restore them. Some stuff, like a 1968 Dodge Challenger or a 65 Fender Twin Reverb will show staying power. Other stuff like old 2" studio tape decks and Sunbeam hand mixers won't because they've been bested by the newer technology and don't have enough cool factor to keep them in the game. The old console organs are sort of an in between to me, no offense. The range of tones, weight balance of the keys and portability of newer keyboards is eminently more useful for working musicians. The old consoles still have some cool factor. It's up to the people who love them to preserve them. Because the guy at the wrecking yard is about to crush that 1980 Citation into a small cube.

[olddawg]

I do think the RoHS compliant solder was specifically put into order to keep landfills from becoming lead concentrated land. Technologies change. Old systems become outdated and incompatible or parts become scarce and expensive. The worst scenario is of course the intentionally disposable things like cell phones, blu-ray players, laptops, computer accessories, 5x1 surround sound systems and such. All the cheap stuff that, no matter how much of it we buy we just can't seem to fill the hole in our lives from not getting outside anymore!?! But I digress.

My point is just that old electronic technology gets thrown out. A lot. What does anyone need a 1977 Magnavox console TV/stereo in simulated wood grain cabinet for!?! Some stuff is obviously cooler than other stuff. A visit to any hot rod show will reveal that. None of those cars is going to be a 1980 Chevy Citation. So what do we do with the Citation?.. So the best way I've seen to preserve any historic aspect of a bygone technology is to support like minded organizations. People who will hunt these things own and restore them. Some stuff, like a 1968 Dodge Challenger or a 65 Fender Twin Reverb will show staying power. Other stuff like old 2" studio tape decks and Sunbeam hand mixers won't because they've been bested by the newer technology and don't have enough cool factor to keep them in the game. The old console organs are sort of an in between to me, no offense. The range of tones, weight balance of the keys and portability of newer keyboards is eminently more useful for working musicians. The old consoles still have some cool factor. It's up to the people who love them to preserve them. Because the guy at the wrecking yard is about to crush that 1980 Citation into a small cube.

Citation? I used to drive Vegas. I had a good sleeved motor that I put in 3 different. $50 cars over a 5 year period. Even in California they were biodegradable.

[Paulj0557]

I suspected Spam, and kept scanning, Looking for the Link to the Tennis Shoes!
Like previously stated, the Sermon is a little long for a first post.
I figure it is a copy paste, he's posting in several areas.
Welcome, I Guess, That's a Definite Maybe!
T

No, it's called being patient and taking an hour or two to say something that matters. I don't cut and paste, I think! Those that care about the connection of the great analog electronic organ to the guitar and the fact that the guitar is continually praised and talked about, lets just say I am making up for a lot of lost, neglected territory that like I said, matters! The reasons analog electronic organs are superior to digital 'organ sounds' are the EXACT SAME REASONS why analog guitar pick-ups, analog amplifiers, and analog effects are superior to anything you can write into a stinking algorithm.
I have over 1,000 posts on the Organ Forum. This is a guitar forum, but I've been playing guitar 36 years so I'm not a newbie to forums or guitar. One thing is for sure, I would never knock ANYONE for writing as much as I did if they had something to say about music and the instruments I have a passion for. Can't see why anyone else would either! It's not like anyone has to read it, but according to my feedback it was certainly worth reading for several.

Music is my life, but as I see organs getting passed over I decided a few years ago to get serious about finding out what people think about the great organs of the past. I have made 7 columns and in those 7 columns every opinion about electronic organs fall under one of the headings. It's all just research in the scheme of things. I've read hundreds of opinions about what people think about analog electronic organs. In the first year, as a sideline to my normal everyday love of playing the electronic organs in my collection and helping others with get theirs going, I began to realize that the electronic and electromechanical organ as I know it is dying. NOT because it's not any good, but because we live in a fast food, fast listen society. Plain and simple...even a fast read. ugh!

Well, years two and three have been applying my engineering skills to devise a much better way to make the real analog DISCRETE COMPONENT electronic organs (NOT CHIPS BECAUSE CHIPS SUCK!) by using 21st century technology. You think we are in a new era of electronics? NOPE, we are actually at the end of a phase of digital microprocessors. The microprocessor is fine for information, but nothing currently made is superior to analog. So I have developed MEMMIS as a new platform for the advancement of music electronics. Right now I am determining the very small changes in magnetic hysteresis that exists in guitar pick-ups, Hammond tone wheels, and phono cartridges WHEN IN USE by employing a particular overlooked method that I had earlier earmarked for another purpose. I'm back on track again and so no worries people. In the next 5 years you will have the best analog you ever thought possible! And yes, it will be small, inexpensive, and almost invisible. Why? I'm not going to make products I'm licensing the platform;-)

[Chuck H]

We understand that this is important to you, but if you're going to step into unknown territory with an opinion and an agenda some people are going to disagree, some people may misinterpret your intent, some people will want to take advantage of your vulnerability for their own reasons and some will just take the opportunity to be snarky Aholes. But...

Since there's no real risk of injury or embarrassment it's a way to hunt like minded people and just maybe change some opinions a little bit. Don't expect too much. And the approach works best if you don't allow yourself to be personally insulted. It also works best if you don't share too many widely contrary opinions, or at least don't pontificate them.

You were doing fine. We were having some fun but we were listening and sharing some discussion too. Pretend you're at a bar and we're all just having a beer rather than all of us debating or preaching. Take a deep breath, drink some water, maybe go enjoy some private time with your organ and come back relaxed (Sorry. Couldn't help it ).

[g1]

I'm not sure what MEMMIS is, but if it has to do with magnetic hysteresis of guitar pickups, you may want to check out the pickup makers area of the forum. There is some very serious physics and engineering stuff that goes on over there.

[big_teee]

No, it's called being patient and taking an hour or two to say something that matters. I don't cut and paste, I think! Those that care about the connection of the great analog electronic organ to the guitar and the fact that the guitar is continually praised and talked about, lets just say I am making up for a lot of lost, neglected territory that like I said, matters! The reasons analog electronic organs are superior to digital 'organ sounds' are the EXACT SAME REASONS why analog guitar pick-ups, analog amplifiers, and analog effects are superior to anything you can write into a stinking algorithm.
I have over 1,000 posts on the Organ Forum. This is a guitar forum, but I've been playing guitar 36 years so I'm not a newbie to forums or guitar. One thing is for sure, I would never knock ANYONE for writing as much as I did if they had something to say about music and the instruments I have a passion for. Can't see why anyone else would either! It's not like anyone has to read it, but according to my feedback it was certainly worth reading for several.

Music is my life, but as I see organs getting passed over I decided a few years ago to get serious about finding out what people think about the great organs of the past. I have made 7 columns and in those 7 columns every opinion about electronic organs fall under one of the headings. It's all just research in the scheme of things. I've read hundreds of opinions about what people think about analog electronic organs. In the first year, as a sideline to my normal everyday love of playing the electronic organs in my collection and helping others with get theirs going, I began to realize that the electronic and electromechanical organ as I know it is dying. NOT because it's not any good, but because we live in a fast food, fast listen society. Plain and simple...even a fast read. ugh!

Well, years two and three have been applying my engineering skills to devise a much better way to make the real analog DISCRETE COMPONENT electronic organs (NOT CHIPS BECAUSE CHIPS SUCK!) by using 21st century technology. You think we are in a new era of electronics? NOPE, we are actually at the end of a phase of digital microprocessors. The microprocessor is fine for information, but nothing currently made is superior to analog. So I have developed MEMMIS as a new platform for the advancement of music electronics. Right now I am determining the very small changes in magnetic hysteresis that exists in guitar pick-ups, Hammond tone wheels, and phono cartridges WHEN IN USE by employing a particular overlooked method that I had earlier earmarked for another purpose. I'm back on track again and so no worries people. In the next 5 years you will have the best analog you ever thought possible! And yes, it will be small, inexpensive, and almost invisible. Why? I'm not going to make products I'm licensing the platform;-)

Take a breath before you hyperventilate!
And, Yes I'm still looking for the Tennis Shoes.
If my opening Statement when you first arrived was Offensive, Then You may not Dig me Too Much!
I thought I was being nice!
I've seen a little Analog, and a little Digital.
I spent 42 years installing Analog, and Digital phone offices across the US.
Relax and Go Play with your Organ!
T
**BTW On the Tennis Shoes, I wear a size 9!

[DrGonz78]

So I have developed MEMMIS as a new platform for the advancement of music electronics. Right now I am determining the very small changes in magnetic hysteresis that exists in guitar pick-ups, Hammond tone wheels, and phono cartridges WHEN IN USE by employing a particular overlooked method that I had earlier earmarked for another purpose. I'm back on track again and so no worries people. In the next 5 years you will have the best analog you ever thought possible! And yes, it will be small, inexpensive, and almost invisible. Why? I'm not going to make products I'm licensing the platform;-)

Well I am following along this thread reading and just feel I would like some clarity. Lets not get all huffy puffy and all. Back on track... So what is your idea? Seems a little vague in writing and perhaps you are not wanting to give away a secret for now. But what do you mean by licensing the platform? I guess I am just a little confused about your intent here and where you leading the thread. I mean I totally understand your position on keeping vintage items alive and working. I also understand you have a huge passion in this field and might take some of our remarks too much to heart. Still when someone makes claims like "'I'm back on track again and so no worries people. In the next 5 years you will have the best analog you ever thought possible!" then we all have to wonder what it is we are actually talking about. I for one am just really curious about your claim and would like to hear more.

BTW: We tend to get first time posters on the site that will put a huge long blurb that is obviously spam. In your case we all read it and were just a bit baffled. You really should take that as a positive thing only. But if we have to wait 5 years to figure what it is your exactly talking about then I don't think many here are going to hold their breath waiting.

[Enzo]

I don't mean to be, but I can be a bit hostile when someone appears to be directing how I ought to conduct my affairs.

I too think of this place as a local tavern, at least in its social aspect, and can you imagine sitting in your local watering hole, when someone you have never seen comes in the door and starts a speech about - oh who cares what example - how we all ought to follow soccer instead of baseball, or we should all eat vegan, or something. That first impression would be off-putting. Just an opinion, but I think you make more friends by relating to them rather than pontificating to them.

I once went to our local art fair - thousands of people milling around looking at , well, art. And there in the middle of the open area was a young man shouting bible verse at the top of his lungs, non-stop. He'd quote chapter and verse, he'd call us sinners, he;d tell us to repent, on and on. COnstant yelling. And I thought at the time, does he honestly think that display will change anyone's thoughts or behavior? Would he be more likely to accept it if I started shouting endlessly the theory of evolution, rather than starting a discussion?

[The Dude]

Message received,......we shouldn't bastardize organs to make guitar amps......Got it! That said, this thread was more interesting after it veered towards organ innuendo.

(also no hostility intended)

[tedmich]

I only got my hands on an organ once... At summer camp.

apparently a lot of guys do this, you can still be straight if you want.. (not that there's anything wrong with that!)

[Chuck H]

apparently a lot of guys do this, you can still be straight if you want.

My wife will be pleased.

[nashvillebill]

Forget the organs, we need talk about squeezeboxes!

Mama's got a squeezebox, Daddy never sleeps at night....