Whom would I got to to make something totally new?

[J M Fahey]

FWIW Leo and Jim are (sadly) dead ... for real.
Does that make their amps less worthy?
More?
Mysteries if the Universe.

[Leo_Gnardo]

FWIW Leo and Jim are (sadly) dead ... for real.

Hey - - - oh THAT Leo, the saint! This one had a good night's sleep for a change, that's all. Din'cha hear me snoring?

Ken Fisher also to mention on the RIP list.

A conversation between neshel & Howie Dumble I'm afraid would be short and brutal.

In any case IMHO neshel you're still better off seeking your guitar tone nirvana via synthesizers rather than distortion circuits whether tube or transistor. There must be a discussion page for guitar synths somewhere. Of course there's lots of decades-old technology around, that's not satisfying as you said. You have to seek out the cutting-edge tech, that hopefully will let youir articulation and nuance come through. Choosing your overtone series? If there's an analogy to be made to organs pipe or Hammond, it's YOU setting the tone so don't be discouraged about anything anyone else has done. And you better let us know if you find something that 'floats your boat.'

Dumble making guns? Wow, I dunno what to say. Who'd a thunk it? I wonder what "improvements" he's wrought there? Can anyone show me where to get a look at what he's up to? Should be amusing to say the least. I wonder who his clients are. I know Aerosmith likes their shooters, Keef Richards too.

[DrGonz78]

Here is one of them... And you all thought he left the music world and some thought he left the world world. Well I can see the music influence is still there...


I guess amplifiers are not as good as guitars when making them into guns.

Bonus pics: Don't neglect the bass players. Gotta love the colt guit too.



P.S. Anyone find a gun amp? They are rare, only found ammo box amp.

[J M Fahey]

Dumble making guns? Wow, I dunno what to say. Who'd a thunk it? I wonder what "improvements" he's wrought there? Can anyone show me where to get a look at what he's up to? Should be amusing to say the least. I wonder who his clients are. I know Aerosmith likes their shooters, Keef Richards too.

I think BATF will be happy with him.

They imposed a "1 week wait period" on gun purchases to avoid hotheads shooting somebody or themselves on impulse ... but Howard D. is famous for taking 8 years average to deliver goods ... that should really cool off the hottest head on the Universe

Also the typical up to U$50000 price for Dumble stuff should keep his products away from slums and the hands of gang members in general .... althoug probably some Colombian druglord could have a full collection ... just to show off how rich he is

As of Rock Musicians loving their smoke poles, here´s a Classic example:

[Leo_Gnardo]

Here is one of them..

Thanks Gonz, geeze he's really sailed off into outta space now. If the "collectors" are paying that much, HAD's profit margin must be even more astronomical than before. FWIW I've seen "gun-tars" since early 80's but these are the first that appear to have actual weapons as part of the build. Maybe Ted Nugent would be his kind of client now? Take a journey to the center of his mind . . . um no thanks.

Cue Adrian Belew "Gun Man", Bowie on vocals.

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Gun AMPS? I can only imagine something that would look like a navy gun turret - that's "cannon" for yez - lots of power but a very narrow "dispersion pattern." Better wear your hearing protection! And don't be where the shell lands. Ka-BOOMski ! ! !

[Chuck H]

Neshel, I think your answer might be in a good old fashioned pedal board of your own creation. Even modern signal processors are too contrived. Many "vintage" players from the 70's/80's with extensive pedal boards have been able to achieve tones made of unobtanium. It takes a lot of tweaking. Learning what pedals go in what order and fine tuning settings. Hours and hours of fun. Listen to players like David Gilmour (Pink Floyd), Roger Fisher (vintage Heart) and Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits). Pedal boards all! Mostly grittier tones than I think you're after, but it demonstrates how one can get outside the usual and still have something lovely and textural instead of just weird. Compression, especially, when used judiciously and placed at various places in the effects chain should give you much more gratification than the usual ducky quack when such a pedal is used as an instant gratification effect.

JM2C

[jazbo8]

FWIW Leo and Jim are (sadly) dead ... for real.
Does that make their amps less worthy?
More?
Mysteries if the Universe.

Just simple supply and demand, there are only a few hundred Dumbles and Trainwrecks ever made, while there are hundreds of thousands of Fender & Marshall amps. Leo was a genius for making great sounding mass-produced amps in the good old days before CBS bought it... Marshall copied Leo's design then took it to another level, the rest is history. Dumble and Trainwreck will forever be associated with boutique amp, while Fender & Marshall are two of the most valuable brand names in the world.

[neshel]

Neshel, I think your answer might be in a good old fashioned pedal board of your own creation. Even modern signal processors are too contrived. Many "vintage" players from the 70's/80's with extensive pedal boards have been able to achieve tones made of unobtanium. It takes a lot of tweaking. Learning what pedals go in what order and fine tuning settings. Hours and hours of fun. Listen to players like David Gilmour (Pink Floyd), Roger Fisher (vintage Heart) and Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits). Pedal boards all! Mostly grittier tones than I think you're after, but it demonstrates how one can get outside the usual and still have something lovely and textural instead of just weird. Compression, especially, when used judiciously and placed at various places in the effects chain should give you much more gratification than the usual ducky quack when such a pedal is used as an instant gratification effect.

JM2C

I don't care for any of those tones. I like Allan Holdsworth's tone, and occasionally early tones of Shawn Lane and Frank Gambale, but those are all lead tones. Won't do.

I have been thinking of assembling a host of electronic timbres, somehow 'mixing' them into one that I would trigger, and seeing if someone in that camp can write an algorithm or something that would interpret palm muting similar to a damper pedal, and even more so 'smooshing and swelling' similar to how a gain tone responds.

[rjb]

Rick Turner is your man.
Just tell him you need an electric guitar version of Mama Bear.
You do have a couple mil to spend on R&D, right?
http://music-electronics-forum.com/t33463/#post311223
D-TAR Duncan-Turner Acoustic Research [www.d-tar.com] /Mama Bear

Alternately, would this be helpful in your quest for grit-free doubled tone?
Line 6 Releases AMPLIFi Remote v1.1, Now with Facebook and Twitter Integration

As a flat-top player whose niche is backing up fiddle players, this stuff is completely foreign territory for me.
Bye, I'm outta here.

[J M Fahey]

Of course, you can go all the way and straight ask for something completely different:

[neshel]

Of course, you can go all the way and straight ask for something completely different:

I wonder whether that spawned the idea for A Fish Called Wanda........

[neshel]

So, here's an example of how I approach playing the guitar, using my existing (and rather old) piece of kit. Pause for a moment....to think about how a Classical player (and indeed composer) approaches an instrument, music, timber and articulation.....the aural space being 'intimate'......and then infuse that into a background of pop music and particularly metal. Oh, and musical circumstance where there is no key, and the bar line is often being written over. This was direct, by the way, perhaps monitored through headphones, so no guitar-speaker interaction.

I guess there's some problem here with soundcloud embedding..........


https://soundcloud.com/neshel/example-1


Now think of how one might make this even smoother - without sacrificing the basic charactistics of sustain and 'push' - and arguably more 'present', as I know this will seem a little 'dull' sounding to most.

[DrGonz78]

What equipment are you currently using in this setup? Hearing something is actually helpful too, but not sure what equipment we are hearing.

[tedmich]

So, here's an example of how I approach playing the guitar, using my existing (and rather old) piece of kit. Pause for a moment....to think about how a Classical player (and indeed composer) approaches an instrument, music, timber and articulation.....the aural space being 'intimate'......and then infuse that into a background of pop music and particularly metal. Oh, and musical circumstance where there is no key, and the bar line is often being written over. This was direct, by the way, perhaps monitored through headphones, so no guitar-speaker interaction.

I guess there's some problem here with soundcloud embedding..........


https://soundcloud.com/neshel/example-1
Now think of how one might make this even smoother - without sacrificing the basic charactistics of sustain and 'push' - and arguably more 'present', as I know this will seem a little 'dull' sounding to most.

reminds me a little of Fadades without the vocals, have you tried a sustainiac or Fernandes sustainer pups? Similar to Vibesware unit, superior to ebow

[neshel]

Some things I want to address:

Regarding the advice suggesting analytic exploration: I haven't the technical and mathematic expertise, and likely never will pursue that. I recognise the authority of those who do.

And I did pick up on certain innuendi early in the thread, though being ignorant of the subjects of them, I had nothing to say.

What equipment are you currently using in this setup? Hearing something is actually helpful too, but not sure what equipment we are hearing.

It's a Rocktron Taboo Artist preamp. I recently parted with an Axe-FX II. Having no experience with tube amps and associated outboard components, particularly cabinets, though spending quite some time with them via the Axe-FX, I found it difficult to get something toward what I'm looking for. Though, really, I think the Axe-FX hasn't (at least yet) been designed to attain that. The Taboo parametres are fairly extensive, in an older-school digital sense, and easier to manipulate.

One thing that stands out is I prefer a lower-volume environment, and the Taboo's speaker simulation with the settings I have in the patches overall offer that, whereas the Axe-FX is far more effected by (responsive to?) the Fletch.

On that note, at least to my ear, acoustic timbres are far less effected by that - because they have natural dynamics - but even a sampled or/and amplified one is far kinder.

reminds me a little of Fadades without the vocals, have you tried a sustainiac or Fernandes sustainer pups? Similar to Vibesware unit, superior to ebow

......well, that was kind of weird.....notice he ripped off John Carpenter's The Thing main poster image for his avatar - and has for some time....

Whether that was in any kind of jest (and obviously one wonders if Fadades isn't a total parody), though I'm thinking not, I'm actually meaning more from this camp of things, though this shit is way badder than anything I can do, performance-wise, let alone compositionally:

The performer was elegantly mild in his physical lyricism, which greatly pleased me.