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  • Grommes Little Jewel conversion

    I started my conversion today, taking a Grommes Little Jewel mono Hi-Fi amp from the late 1950's and making it into a guitar amp. Doing this in stages and so far not doing a copy of any particular circuit, the idea is to have this as an ongoing learning experience.

    Stage one was to replace the power supply caps. I had between 5 and 6 volts of AC ripple, and replaced the main cap can (which was a 40/30/10/20) with a 40/20/20/20. The second cap can was a 10/100, which I replaced with a 20/20, didn't use the second 20 but put in a separate 100uF since it was a cathode cap in the phase inverter, not a high voltage power supply cap. That got me a working amp with very low hum, way too much bass gain, and quite brittle - what I expected and hoped for, since there are no cathode bypass caps in this stock.

    Next stage was to replace the input section, which had a multi-switch with phono equalization networks, with a straight in input through a 47K series resistor. I redid the first two gain stages with no particular frequency shaping networks - 100K anode resistors, 1K cathode with 20uF cathode bypass on both of the two gain stages, kind of standard following a Fender-ish layout. I used a 47K series resistor to the first plate, because that's what I had handy. I used .02uF coupling caps.

    The result of this is an amp that works, but has too much gain. The tone controls work as intended, but don't suit guitar at all - 18dB of bass boost at 50 hz, and 15dB of treble cut at 5Khz. I will probably put in 1.5K cathode resistors to drop the gain a bit, put the volume control between the first two stages rather that at the input of the PI where it is now, and put in another type of tone stack. It also has a paraphase PI, which may get turned into a long-tail. We'll see...

    So far so good, anyway. This amp is all point to point wired, and the factory wiring is impeccable, absolutely straight dressed runs, and components installed very neatly. I'll try to get a pic. A review of a Grommes Little Jewel kit is here: http://www.grommesprecision.com/grom...ewelreview.PDF

    thanks, Brian
    Last edited by Brian Evans; 01-31-2009, 08:16 PM.

  • #2
    I do have a question: the power supply voltage are all higher than called out in the schematic. For example, the 110 volts at the anode of the first 12AX7 is 165 volts. The drops along the chain of dropping resistors show that they are working, just all of the voltages are too high (the voltage at the first power supply cap is supposed to be 400, it's about 465). Is this a problem that I should try to fix? How hot should a power supply transformer get?

    Thanks, Brian

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    • #3
      What is the actual AC voltage at your wall outlet? What is the voltage on the rear panel of the amplifier? For example in the USA, ratings of 110VAC were common in the 1950s. Today the power system is nominally 120vAC and is often several volts higher than that.

      If your B+ voltage was supposed to be 400v, every volt higher than 110VAC coming in will increase the B+ by about 3.3v. If the mains are at 123v as they are here at the moment, then your 400v would be about 43v higher than the schematic. Not the whole 65v , but a considerable amount.

      Also, reduced loading on the supply raises volts, so if any tubes are out of their sockets or not conducting, the voltages rise from that.
      Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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      • #4
        I just converted one of those into an all octal 5C3 Tweed Deluxe.
        Used the iron that was in place.
        Then made a small board for the filter caps right next to the PT, and a tiny board stuffed full for the rest.

        It came out very nice-clean, loud, and does everything a TD should do.
        Including getting real dirty in a good way!

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        • #5
          Brian, Were you successful in your conversion? How's that patient?

          I have a Grommes LJ6 (nice nested power trans.) that is stable (runs hot due to 120VAC at the wall). I replaced C1 with a JJ 40/20/20/20 and C2 checked out OK but I'll keep and eye on it. I need to do a bias check to reset due to 120VAC.

          Soon will endeavor to convert to a 5E3 Deluxe. What's your suggestion?

          I love the layout of these things, nice and compact and a classic look.
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          • #6
            I know this thread is a year old, but curious as to how your conversion went.

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