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  • Got a Couple Mission Amps

    Two Tweedy Deluxes, one Super

    First tweedy built has the Paul C Mod, uses a Celestion Blue. Using a 5V4.

    Other tweedy has the "super" OT, a Reverend speaker, Paul C Mod, and the Bruce's Volume/Tone Mod. Using TAD 6L6C;s two 12AX7s and a GZ34 CopperCap.

    Super is stock, but I've cycled thru a number of speakers, finally settling on a combination of an Eminence CopperHead and a Weber 10F150T.
    Last edited by Bruce / Mission Amps; 05-31-2006, 04:18 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by TD_Madden
    Two Tweedy Deluxes, one Super

    First tweedy built has the Paul C Mod, uses a Celestion Blue. Using a 5V4.
    So how do you like the Paul C Mod in a 5E3? I like it a lot in my Princeton Reverb but I'm not sure I like it in my tweed deluxe...

    --Thanks!

    Steve Ahola
    The Blue Guitar
    www.blueguitar.org
    Some recordings:
    https://soundcloud.com/sssteeve/sets...e-blue-guitar/
    .

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    • #3
      It is a subtle mod but not a waste of time.
      I like the mod but find it more useful in amps with a fixed bias, where the drive signal can be allowed to swing a little further before hitting the end of the actual fixed bias voltage causing cutoff.
      The mod is not so obvious in cathode biased amps, like a 5E3, where the plate voltage of the PI is lower and the bias voltage is only about 20v to 24v anyhow.
      In the cathode biased appplication with lower plate voltages, the PI has very little trouble swingiing that far with little distortion but, most fixed bias 6V6s amps have bias voltages of about 8v to 15v deeper negative then cathode biased ones.
      The Paul C mod allows the PI to go a little further in peak levels with less distortion in an amp that can use the extra swing.
      ______________
      Which reminds me....
      Since most of the readers here have a strong interest or have built a 5E3, they should try a fixed bias version of the 5E3 sometime for a nice tonal change, a few more clean watts and more power tube headroom.
      A very simple adjustable bias supply can be made with two 1/2w resistors, a small 22k-25k trim pot, a 1N4007 diode, a 47uF-100uF 100v E-cap and a 12" piece of wire to hook it all up.
      All you do is then ground the cathode(s) wire of the two 6V6 tubes and lift the grounded ends of the two 220K resistors and insert the new bias voltage there.
      Adjust the bias voltage so the power tubes are running about 9-10 watts each.
      With a 1K screen node dropping resistor, the amp can usually hit about 14 watts fairly clean.
      With a 3Hy-5Hy choke replacing the 5K resistor, a SOVTEK 5Y3GT, GZ30 (not a GZ34) or a NOS 5V4GA... and the new bias voltage reset so the power tubes are idling at about 9-10 watts, it will get into the 18 watt range...
      the American 18 watter, a new 5E3 mod kit I am working on producing.
      My newest 5E3 chassis even has the PEM nuts installed in it for mounting this choke and a larger output tranny to allow 6L6 operation if desired.
      Last edited by Bruce / Mission Amps; 05-31-2006, 04:23 PM.
      Bruce

      Mission Amps
      Denver, CO. 80022
      www.missionamps.com
      303-955-2412

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      • #4
        Oh and to add to this...
        I forgot to mention... we now have available our own octal socket to 9pin adapters for running EL84s in your tweed Deluxe.
        My new MA20-18 power tranny also has a pair of high voltage taps that are 265vac for EL84s if you so desire.

        Bruce
        Bruce

        Mission Amps
        Denver, CO. 80022
        www.missionamps.com
        303-955-2412

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        • #5
          bruce I'm going to add the fixed bias mod to my tweed deluxe, pretty soon, I'll probably post some samples when I have the time...

          by the way, why not use the weber fixed bias 5e3 circuit: https://weberspeakerscom.secure.poww.../5e3_schem.jpg
          Last edited by tboy; 06-23-2006, 08:35 PM.

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          • #6
            That schem is for a cathode biased amp.
            An easy bias supply to build is from a brownface era Deluxe.
            Bruce

            Mission Amps
            Denver, CO. 80022
            www.missionamps.com
            303-955-2412

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            • #7
              but check at the bottom of the weber scheme, there is an alternate bias scheme for fixed biasing, wouldn't that work? (this is their version of the 5e3)

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              • #8
                Looks very similar to the fixed bias circuit bruce described to me. I may give it a try one day. I want to make it switchiable between cathode & fixed, I just read a post about a kendrick amp that has switchiable bias.

                JOE
                Resistors not Transistors !

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by riscado
                  but check at the bottom of the weber scheme, there is an alternate bias scheme for fixed biasing, wouldn't that work? (this is their version of the 5e3)
                  Yes... that should work...
                  I didn't see it.
                  Bruce

                  Mission Amps
                  Denver, CO. 80022
                  www.missionamps.com
                  303-955-2412

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                  • #10
                    Bruce,

                    Do your octal/9-pin adaptors have internal components, or are they direct pin-for-pin crossovers? I'm looking for the second kind, they seem kinda hard to find.

                    Ray

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                    • #11
                      About the Paul C mod ...

                      Has anyone noticed a change in bass response using the Paul C mod? The mod will lower the input impedance of the PI, so if you use the same coupling cap before the PI, it ought to cut a little more bass compared to the stock circuit.

                      Shea

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