P12r V C12n

[Gibby]

Which speaker breaks up earlier..

Looking for that Neil Young distortion from my 1959 5E3.
My Jenson P12R had the job covered until I blew it..

Should be back with me soon

Cheers

Gibby

UK

[fyl]

Which speaker breaks up earlier..

P12R, but you'll destroy it again and again.

Looking for that Neil Young distortion from my 1959 5E3.
My Jenson P12R had the job covered until I blew it..

Neil uses C12N's, usually reconed every week while on tour... A P12R wouldn't stand the punishment for more than a couple of bars.

[Bruce / Mission Amps]

P12R, but you'll destroy it again and again.



Neil uses C12N's, usually reconed every week while on tour... A P12R wouldn't stand the punishment for more than a couple of bars.

And once your P12R has been reconed, it is very unlikely to ever-ever sound the same as it did before you blew it.

[Gibby]

P12R

The 1959 P12R was out of this world, the Alnico Blue and a C12Q I have
sound real nice when played clean..but the Blue especially takes forever to break up. When it does it's naff.

It's when I want that Neil tone, breaking up the P12R was awesome.
But not for long as I found out !!!!!!!!!!


Even reconned it should be nearer, so it will just go pop again ?

I don't want to have to use a Tube Screamer with my Deluxe but I might have too

Gibby

[Denny_A]

Gibby,

A Weber or Jensen R.I. P12R will get you back very close to the original sound, but will handle slightly more power. (rated 20-25 watts) You can't beat the 1" voice coil for the touch sensitivity at lower volumes for guitar.

[Gibby]

Weber-C12N

I keep hearing about these Weber's.. which one would you recommend.
I read about the Tubby ? too.

Will the C12N sound like the P12R, will it still braek up but a little later.
I'm only using my Deluxe in my Studio/practice room.

Never giged with the 5e3 but when I do I will just mic it.

Thanks

Gibby

[Denny_A]

Gibby,

Check out the weber speaker website. Much to look at and read there.

That C12Q you have should get you in the tonal ballpark. Maybe it is not well broken in yet? Those have a 1.25" voice coil though.

Weber carries a 12f100 and a 12" signature series which are a copy of an original Jensen 1" voice coil tweed type speaker. Also, Jensen makes a P12R reissue. Remember, all speakers have a break in period though.

[Gibby]

Speaker

Will do,

many thanks for your help, very much appreicated.

Gibby

[n5oet3h]

Gibby,

I have a Mission 5E3 with a Jensen C12Q. I wasn't expecting much from the speaker but it's really not bad. I broke in the driver with a generator and hi-fi power amp.

My plan was to get the Celestion Blue, but I fear it may be just too damn loud before breaking up (I'm a home player). It's so much more efficient, and I've read the other comments here.

One thing you can do is email Weber. Describe the sound you're looking for, and he'll recommend the exact speaker best suited to your needs.

n5oet3h

[petemoore]

"em 'ol radio speakers like RCA's...sing, break-up, then fall apart, if you can keep them in the 'sing/breakup zone' the 'fall apart' might take a few months.
There's something about the sound of a speaker falling apart that seems to attract watts...
I've been through many a speaker, and have had years of service from decades old 2 x 8'', 2 x 10'' and 12'' / 2x12'' cabinets [good-old radio speakers], there's just a fine line to find between the sweet tone zone and coil damage. That line seems to slowly and unnoticably move as time moves on...even spared heavy peaks and lengthy high output performance, at some point the coil just gives up. A speaker with more power handling generally sounds like that too.
deep pockets or a balance between power handling and tone is recommended...