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    I need some help deciphering what's going on with this amp. I've attached a picture of the schematic on the actual base of the amp I have in front of me, and also a more readable one I found that matches mine.

    Customer says it worked fine for years, had a replacement 15" put in at some point.

    One day it just didn't turn on/blows fuses.

    I mistakenly told him just to bring the amp, not the cab. So my repairs started with just using the external speaker jack, to test.
    My first question, am I correct in that if the normal internal speaker isn't connected via it's native odd 4 pin XLR-ish plug, that the external jack will not work?

    I had the amp stable with simply a new fuse and power tubes, but could only get sound using the "ext amp" jack. So at least I know the preamp works. No sound using ONLY the ext speaker jack.

    I didn't want to start rewiring the speaker jacks just to be able to test using my shop speaker via a normal 1/4" cable, so I had him bring in the cab.

    I plugged in the cab using the 4 pin connector (nothing in the ext jack) and the amp is blowing fuses.

    I'm having a hard time deciphering the schematic as far as the OT secondaries at the 2 diagrams for the 4 pin plugs, and also the "F" notation.
    I *think* that since F is notated at the cathode of the PI, that the PI Rk isn't grounded unless the 4 pin lug is connected to the cab? I'm not sure if that explains the fuse blowing.
    To further cloud things, I've seen schematics where the standby connects to this matrix of madness, but I can't confirm or deny that in my actual amp . I should probably do that.

    The only other thing I'm able to decipher is that the OT secondaries are 16r and 8r, and the ext speaker jack switches to 16r and wires the speakers in parallel.

    All solder joints seem to be original on the speaker jacks, so I think I can rule out any funny business with previous repairs. Plus, the amp has been working fine for years until the other day. Honestly, I don't think the output tubes that it came in with were bad. I re-inserted them and they are pulling current.

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    Forum seems to be acting funny with new posts. Anyways here's the schematics
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    • #3
      No schematics showing. I'll just post links. You are correct ext. spkr. will not work until main speaker connector installed (or a jumper at appropriate pins).
      There is a '64 version and a '65 version, from your description with the 'F' mark on the schematic, it should be the '65. The '64 has the standby switch connection you were wondering about, the '65 provides the ground to the PI cathode.

      '65: https://ampeg.com/data/6/0a000509117...plication/pdf/

      '64: http://www.vintage-blue.com/blog/sch...atic_11_64.pdf


      Also, the ext.spkr. jack does not put the speakers in parallel, they are in series.
      Originally posted by Enzo
      I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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      • #4
        Ok great, thanks. It's the '65 with F mark .
        I see now pin 2 and 3 are connected at the amp when the 4pin is inserted in the cab, providing OT and PI grounds.

        So it's only blowing fuses when I insert that 4 pin cable into it's jack on the cab. I'm going to pull the jack from the cab and inspect it, but besides that, what else could it possibly be besides the OT?
        I suppose there could be a problem in the PI area, but I can't imagine it would blow a fuse.... amp is stable with good voltage everywhere when the 4pin plug is not inserted in the cab jack

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        • #5
          When the cab speaker is plugged in pins 2, 3 & 4 are connected together and interlocking point F.
          If the plug is inserted incorrectly, that will place a short circuit on the output of the transformer. When the volume is turned up, will sound very weedy and blow the fuse, hopefully without damaging anything.
          Click image for larger version  Name:	Screenshot 2024-10-27 at 15.41.46.png Views:	0 Size:	187.2 KB ID:	1006185"The only other thing I'm able to decipher is that the OT secondaries are 16r and 8r, and the ext speaker jack switches to 16r and wires the speakers in parallel".
          ​Incorrect, they are across separate windings.
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          • #6
            Another possibility is that there is oscillation when the PI is in circuit. If it was large enough I guess it could blow the fuse.
            Originally posted by Enzo
            I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jon Snell View Post
              ​Incorrect, they are across separate windings.
              I disagree.
              The OP would be correct had he wriiten "in series" instead of "in parallel".
              With both speakers connected only the 16 Ohm tap is engaged for both speakers in series.

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              • #8
                Honestly , I meant to type "Series"

                Well I took the plug apart that hangs from the amp, and there was a little metal tab(I'm not even sure it's purpose) that was knocking around inside the metal assembly. I snipped it off, insulated all the pins/wires, and it fired right up!

                Thank you everyone for the help

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