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  • Ampeg SVT CL hum and oscillation

    Hey everyone! I'm experiencing the same thing as this poster:

    https://music-electronics-forum.com/...illation-noise

    Here is what I know:

    -the amp has a louder-than-normal hum when the bias lights are in the optimal "green" zone
    -I can decrease the hum by increasing the bias (making it more negative) but obviously that isn't "working as intended"
    -I can eliminate the hum by shorting either the Slave out or the preamp out jacks
    -tube rolling the 12AX7 or 12AU7s makes no change
    -no change to the preamp controls makes a difference
    -bypassing the 220ohm resistors on the preamp board makes no difference

    I'm not seeing any obvious power supply ripple - the amp has had a fresh cap job, all the diodes in the bias detection circuit test okay, all voltages are dead on with the schematic.

    I don't see/hear any noise coming from the preamp (test at R33 on the preamp board) which is odd to me since killing the preamp signal at the slave or preamp out jack kills the noise.

    Shorting the AC component of the driver 12AX7 pin 1 kills the noise.

    I'm not super worried about the oscillation yet as the hum is pretty terrible, but that presents as a high pitched squeal after the amp has been running for some time.

    Any thoughts or other interesting things to try? I did also resolder all the problem points while I did the cap job (tube sockets, connectors, AC power board). Thanks!
    RJ

  • #2
    Is the hum 60Hz or 120Hz ?
    Check ripple on all supplies, including low voltage rails and bias supply. Compare ripple levels when hum is happening and when eliminated by shorting Pre-out.
    Hum can be a byproduct of the oscillation, so no sense chasing the hum if the oscillation is the root cause. It could be at inaudible high frequency and shifting to audible after on awhile.
    Originally posted by Enzo
    I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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    • #3
      Whoops - I should have included that. Hum is 60Hz. No obvious ripple anywhere I can find, including low voltage rail. When I can hear it, it's *very* high frequency.

      Good point about them possibly being linked too.
      RJ

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      • #4
        That it is 60Hz should take supply ripple out of the equation, I would think.
        60Hz and oscillation could be a grounding issue. Or ground loop issue. Some of these things are very sensitive about which jacks are insulated and which are not. Anything looking non-stock as far as that goes?
        Originally posted by Enzo
        I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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        • #5
          I'm pretty sure I was the first to ever open this up, but it does seem VERY sensitive to grounding. As in, I can shut off the soldering iron or radio and the amp will pop.
          RJ

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          • #6
            Not sure which SVT variant, but nevetslab has mentioned lots of problems with solder joints at jacks and IEC socket board, also loose hardware issues.
            Originally posted by Enzo
            I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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            • #7
              Oh yeah, he's got a whole fleet of them at the rental company out west

              nevetslab - you got any brilliant ideas on this one or maybe this is something you've come across?
              RJ

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