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  • Funny issue with a SF Fender twin...

    Hi all...so I been working on a friends SF Twin reverb...it was all but toast when I got it. I rebuilt the whole board to AB763 specs, got new tubes and plugged her in, it had sound (positive!) the reverb and vibrato worked again (double positive!) BUTTT...it doesn't break up properly..(negatttiivve) here are the symptoms:

    On volume 1-2 it sounds ok, a little soft but clean. At 3 instead of good old fender breakup, the amp produces an ugly broken speaker type fizz at the clipping point, a clean undertone is still present beneath the fizz. at 5-6 the amp reaches maximum volume, not really much louder than 3, you can hear where the amp is breaking up, but like before instead of nice solid crunch it clips out with a fizz, not a very loud fizz either. Again there is an almost separated clean undertone underneath, the clean is slightly louder than the fizz. At volume 10 its exactly the same as 6. Even at 10 the amp really isn't that loud, comparable to like 3-4 on my 50W bassman....

    Here's what I think it's not:
    Pre-amp circuits, it happens on both channels.
    PI section, all values and voltages check out.
    Speakers, I played through a separate cab.
    Power tubes? I dont think so, I had brand new JJ's and older GT's what I am gonna do it try them 2 tubes at a time...

    I was thinking output transformer, but on reading a few posts here it sound like it might be that parasitic osscillation thingee....

    Any thoughts? Its really driving me nuts trying to figger it out!!

    Thanks!!

  • #2
    My first guess would be a wiring placement issue. Second gues would be the output tranny.
    I had a re-issue Twin that sounded like nails clanking in a can at high volume levels. I replaced the output with a 70's nos and it fixed the problem.

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    • #3
      http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folder...t/pt-to-pt.htm
      Sounds like oscillation, probably caused by lead dress. See above link for good principles. Peter.
      My band:- http://www.youtube.com/user/RedwingBand

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      • #4
        AARRRR! This one is really driving me nuts....so after endless staring at the guts of the amp I finally got the money for an OT...installed it annnndd...SAME PROBLEM.

        Man...is there ANY WAY this could be the power tranny? or the filter caps? the voltages all seem ok...I dunno, clutching at straws here....I cleaned up the wire layout as best I could, moved everything around so they werent touchin and stuff, I mean there is still wires everywhere...but they arent touching, especially around the power section. I mean the preamps have those massive twists going to the tone pots...but its happening on both channels...so I'm figgering its after the 2 channels meet...

        I'm thinking bout tearing the whole thing apart and rebuilding it...starting at the power section. REALLY dont wanna have to if it could something else buuutt....

        heres something...adjusting the bias pot ALL the way in both directions dont really seem to do much.....sound wise...though it does correctly adjust the neg voltage....

        heeelllppppp!

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        • #5
          Bias voltage is not the issue, what is the bias current? Are all four tubes running? I don;t mean the heaters. Check the power tube sockets - ALL of them. Is there B+ on both pins 3 AND 4 on each? Is the bias voltage present and the same on all of them. What is the idle current on each side? Check the screen resistors on each socket - are they all intact and measuring about the same resistance? I assume 470 ohms.
          Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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