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Peavey 5150 no sound, tubes not glowing

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  • #16
    Your tube heaters don't glow, so nothing else will happen.

    The power tubes do not run on DC, they are all four in parallel and they run on 6VAC. That 6v supply IS elevated from ground by +24v, but that is not DC heaters.

    Get them going.

    They are served by that 10A fuse F2. You MUST remove the fuse from its holder to test it, you cannot measure the fuse while still in its clips. If the fuse really is OK< then there should be 6v in the system. Right by that fuse, there should be a two-wire connector from the power transformer - if I recall, the heavy wires are yellow. Is that connector OK? Os ther 6VAC from pin to pin on it? From there, the 6VAC goes through the fuse and on to the ribbon cable from the maion board to the powr tube board. A bad pin on either end of that ribbon could kill the 6VAC to the tubes.

    DOn't measure voltages to ground, measure voltages across the heater pins at each socket.

    The preamp tube heaters are on a totally separate circuit from the power tube heaters. There are four preamp tubes, heaters wired for 12v and in series across the +24vDC and the -24vDC. In other words four 12v tubes in series are wired across the 48vDC made by the +24 and -24. ANy interrpution in that string will darken them all.

    Most likely interruption? Open R47,R49. This pair of 22 ohm flame proof resistors in top center of page 2 of the schematic, and they are right in the corner of the preamp tube board. While it is possible, open heaters on 12AX7s are extremely rare, and those resistors being open far more likely.


    If you want to follow the preamp tube heaters, look at page 2 top center - the connector to the right of V4 phase splitter tube. See +24v come in there, adn go right to the two resistors, out the left end of them to FIL. Now back to page 1, upper left. See FIL applied to pin 5 of V1. Now follow the current from pin 5 to 4 across the row of three 12AX7s until you come out V5 pin 4 to FILI. Now back to page 2 to find FILI just continues the string through V3 and out of that to the connector we started with and the -24v rail.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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    • #17
      Thanks.. that really helps.. I will re-check everything tonight when I get home and make sure
      I have the correct voltages.

      thanks again to everyone.

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      • #18
        I was trying to do this right. Rechecked the fuses. All good
        Right
        Check PT output and write it down
        Yellow 6.67
        Red 370
        Check
        Then I thought ok .... Hey wait a minute!
        Houston we have preamp tube glow
        Ok WTF
        Nothing on ouput tubes though
        Then I disconnected the ribbon from main pcb to
        Tube board
        ( in snooty English accent) hullo what's all this then?
        Big old burn mark on the pcb under the connector

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        • #19
          I do think we mentioned the ribbon connector. The solder can crack around the male pins on the board, and the connectors themselves can burn. Look up th female pins and see if they are clean and healthy. The white plastic housing usuall;y discolors brown by the pins if it fails. Clean up the solder underneath. And if the ribbon thing is screwed up, you can always run wires soldered at each end between the boards.
          Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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          • #20
            When having a hot solder iron already around check (and resolder) the solder points on the Power Tube PCB, they tend to have cold solder joints as well, especially when tubes are ripped out and plugged back in often ....
            I can fix everything, where is the duct tape?

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            • #21
              working again

              thanks everybody for the suggestions and tips. I got it working again yesterday.
              magic to see the power tubes light up

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              • #22
                And what was the actual root cause?
                I can fix everything, where is the duct tape?

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                • #23
                  couple things: first was the pins for heater pwr to output tubes had shorted out on the reverse side of the board.. most of the solder had burned/melted away and there was a carbon trace between the pins.. then the ribbon cable which had a burn mark on the underside.
                  there was also a spot where a partially melted solder joint from the heater circuit was shorting to the case.
                  I would pull the PCB out of the case and got 6v on the heater pins, I would put the board back in the case and get 0v on those pins.. take it out, 6v. so I found that spot and re-soldered, cleaned it up..

                  whoooo.. put it back together.. turned it on and had that warm fuzzy feeling when the tubes started to glow. I gave the guy a call and just said "hey, you owe me, big time" and then played a bit of guitar over the phone.. he was going "no way! it works! AWESOME" I still have to put it back together and all.. and need to find a way to keep the clips inside the amp for the screws through the case. there is one that constantly wants to fall out.. even after I bend the tabs on it to hold better.. don't need that thing flopping around inside, which is now my suspicion of what happened in the first place

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                  • #24
                    hey zork, i have a similar problem on my peavey triumph, you say the ribbon cable had a burn mark on it.. what did you do to fix that?

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                    • #25
                      SOlder the wires directly.
                      Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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