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  • Mystery: Source of unwanted distortion in JCA50H amp (Jet City Ampl.)

    Hello,

    Lately I have been trying to get clear about what causes a strange form of distortion to my signal in the normal (clean:ish) channel on my JCA50H amp. I started noticing it when I began playing an SG with humbuckers more frequently through it. (For a while I played only low-output single-coils, with which the problem is much less noticeable.)

    What I noticed was a subtle distorted sound in the background, which I felt was not the preamp tubes breaking up, but which appeared to be more or less constant over the range of the preamp volume (gain) settings. Yesterday I noticed that if I turn the master volume up halfway or so, and the preamp volume down to zero, I still hear this distorted sound very clearly, though not very loudly. Or: I hear *only* this distorted sound. My guess is that as I then turn up the preamp volume, this distorted sound stays there.

    You (or, at least, I) would expect that when you turn the preamp volume down to zero you would get zero signal, or a very very diminished signal. Instead, as I turn the volume down, I get less and less of my normal, clean sound, but this distorted sound is there all along and still there at zero. If I back off on the guitar volume, the noise goes away, of course.

    The distorted signal sounds something like when you're playing through a tubescreamer maxed out hooked up to a cheap transistor radio instead of an amp. And at very low volume, but it's there.

    I have checked the tubes for problems with microphonics, (tapping them w/ pencil) but there seems to be no trouble there. Maybe I should start swapping them around, though.

    After a while, however, the noise sometimes goes away, which makes me think it has to do with insufficient warm-up somehow. But since in that case it seems the amp needs half an hour or so to warm up, is this normal?

    Another wild theory I had (which is mere speculation since I don't know how to go about testing it) is that it has to do with grounding somehow. Or a faulty capacitor somewhere in the amp. Again: wild speculation based on ignorance and superstition. I am a novice in these matters.

    Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated!

  • #2
    These are the SLO copies if I recall correctly. If it uses the same channel switching technology as the SLO, then it'll be performed with LDRs. There's an LDR right after the 3rd stage in the OD channel, that if it were to not provide enough resistance when off, it would alloy the OD signal to bleed into the clean signal chain. Does the noise go away if you pull V2? This should remove the 2nd and 3rd preamp stages from the OD channel (again, assuming it's just like an SLO on the inside).
    -Mike

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    • #3
      Thanks for the tip, defaced/Mike!

      I will do as you say and try to figure out if it is indeed the OD channel that is bleeding into the Normal channel. I am not sure whether my amp uses the same switching technology as the SLO. My impression is that the JCA50H is based on the Hotrod series rather than SLO, but that may not matter when it comes to switching. But your suggestion/suspicion certainly makes very much sense.

      I am now looking at a schematic I found here: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...4&d=1289315691 (Power amp is here: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...5&d=1289315705)

      I think I see a relay there, to take care of the switching, but I am not sure. I will pop out the tube as you suggest, and take it from there.

      Thanks again,
      Tomas.

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      • #4
        Got home from work and tested your theory. You were right of course.

        It is clearly a matter of the OD signal bleeding into the "Normal" signal chain. And I didn't have to pull a tube to confirm it -- setting OD preamp volume/gain to zero removed the distorted sound in the background completely.

        So now the question is: do I consider this a flaw and pursue this further, or do I ... er ... (Stones reference coming up) ... "Let it Bleed"?

        Thanks again. Mystery solved!
        /Tomas

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        • #5
          I'll look at the schematic tonight and see what I can come up with. I don't think you should have to live with it, but you might have to do some hacking to make it work (assuming it's working as designed).

          The funny thing is that the real SLO has the opposite problem, the clean channel bleeds into the OD channel.
          -Mike

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          • #6
            Crosstalk is crosstalk, regardless of which way it flows.

            I'd think offhand one could either add or re-purpose a channel switching relay to ground the dirt channel output or other reasonable point on the signal path when clean is selected.
            Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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            • #7
              Thanks Enzo,

              Since I have little experience in amp modding I am not sure what you suggest here (I have done some recapping of amps in the past but that's it). I think the amp already has a relay that switches between the channels (or switches the OD part of the preamp in and out), but I am not sure the deselected channel is switched to ground. I have trouble understanding the switching part of the schematic (PDF in previous post).

              /Tomas

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