Repair Safety First

[R.G.]

I believe you would not need to to this with a Studer,
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You think this is crazy? It's more than that, it's DERANGED.

Mykey, you're doing it again. As I said:

That is, you're trying to deflect criticism by blaming us for having sloppy standards when in fact you completely missed the accurate technical explanation of the inaccuracies in your posts. This little trick works pretty well in sound bites for the newspapers, but it doesn't work at all for a technical discussion with people who know what they're doing. Give it up, act like a man and admit you muffed it.

some prefer to discharge capacitors by shorting them to ground
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Have you ever heard this, shorting the cap to ground wrecks the capacitor?

Mykey, you're doing it again. As I said:

That is, you're trying to deflect criticism by blaming us for having sloppy standards when in fact you completely missed the accurate technical explanation of the inaccuracies in your posts. This little trick works pretty well in sound bites for the newspapers, but it doesn't work at all for a technical discussion with people who know what they're doing. Give it up, act like a man and admit you muffed it.

Just ignoring an invitation to discussion technical matters in detail doesn't mean that your audience will let the issues slide.

Could you please address some of the issues I asked you about, like proving any of your assertions? The more blathering in general you do, the more I think you don't know what you're talking about and are casting around looking for something to deflect the issues.

You're still digging your way down.

[Rob Mercure]

Who you jiving with this cosmic debri?

I was initially patient and tried to give you the benefit of the doubt - which you chose to totally ignore. So, if you're trying to state that anyone can modify an audio mixer to have a high end - even at say, 6 db down (you do understand the "bel", the "decibel" and a logarithmic scale) - that reached a gigaHertz (you do understand that three zeros is thousands - kilo, six zeros is mega - millions, and nine zeros is giga - billions, I hope) then I believe that you equal, if not tie, the most full of shit post/reply that I've seen on this board! We've all tried to tell you gently and reasonably so I'll just be an ass and state: Why don't you go back to whatever junior high school classes you're missed and not try to "impress" us with your ever deepening doo doo!

I'm pretty sure that your favorite way of discharging capacitors is to connect one terminal to each of your ears!

[Enzo]

Mykey, the FCC doesn't care in the slightest what goes on inside your mixer. As long as it doesn't RADIATE radio frequencies, it can MIX then all it likes.

The very concept of a mixer or any other audio product having a bandwidth of 3-1GHz is simply ludicrous. It would serve no purpose, and have the undesireable side effect of amplifying rumble, noises, and RFI.

ANd if you are going to throw around brand names to impress us all, for God's sake at least spell them right.

[R.G.]

I think I really have been shooting too high with mykey.

It could well be that he's actually naive and is just trying to be impressive. He's missing some very important techie items that should be in his background that should be in the kit of anyone who's fixed stuff for as long as he says, and the ducking any technical confrontation is pretty damning.

I'm always a fool for taking someone at their word until they start saying stupid stuff. I know that the conservative position is to consider everyone a liar until proven truthful, but I just don't do that well. It's such a pessimistic position.

The bigger issue may become - how do you get him to quit polluting the water?

[Alex/Tubewonder]

The bigger issue may become - how do you get him to quit polluting the water?

Starve him, just ignore his cries for food

[mykey]

Actually the purpose was to remind people about safety, 624 views so far. Then the topic changed to bamblasting a tech who is not practicing the standards of the 1950's. If this reminded 500 people about safety, it was worth it.
This was not about me, an unnamed unknown technician, but rather about pushing the standards forward and until safety is first and foremost in the minds of those who work on amplifiers. until everyone works safely and until high gain guitar amps are as quiet as stereo receivers, I'll keep pushing.
It bothers you that someone has set a higher standard and sets higher goals, but that's OK. If someone doesn't complain things will never get better. some people dare to dream, then achieve these higher standards; then others wish to sit in the back and throw mud at the dreamers and achievers. Which category do you belong in?

[bob p]

...I won't go into too much detail about the Marshall clones with $10,000 sets of custom made silver mica Cornell Dubleer capacitors, ...

$10,000 sets of custom made CDE mica capacitors??? WTF???

I don't buy it. Use the search function on this board and you'll see that more than one member here has experience in soliciting CDE for large custom production runs of capacitors. Just for reference, a $10,000 custom order is several orders of magnitude shy of what it takes to get their attention. The cost of downtime on their existing production lines is so immense that CDE won't consider retooling one of their production lines for you even if YOU offer to pay for the setup as part of your custom order for several million units.

To state that anyone could get one of the world's largest passives manufacturers to shut down their lines for a $10,000 order is a wildly outlandish claim. Although $10,000 may seem like a lot of money to an individual, its nothing more than a few minutes of downtime on the line to a large manufacturing corporation. Such outlandish statements about $10,000 custom orders only serve to strain your credibility.

[bob p]

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So there, now you have some more rumors to spread about me.

Don't hold your breath. The regulars here aren't the kind of people who are going to dedicate much of their time to an endeavor that provides such a menial return. You just happen to be someone who's been caught saying things that are utter bullshit, and you're getting the appropriate smackdown that any spreader of BS would get on this board. Anyone who spreads FUD around here can expect that their fallacious statements will be debunked immediately and without hesitation -- especially on matters of electrical safety, which is something that's taken very seriously here.

FWIW, Cornell "Dubleer" was a popular euphemism in the Golden Age among Motorola's TV/radio R&D engineers. Some of my friends from Schaumburg just can't pronounce French words.

[hasserl]

Hehehehe, this reminds me of the Paul Rosk threads back on the old forum. LOL!

[Enzo]

Mykey, those views are folks watching your train wreck.

If you want to send a message of safety, fine. But when you add on the bullshit to sound impressive, it just turns people off, and they will then discount your entire message. Even the good parts. Is that what you want?

[Euthymia]

624 views so far

Actually, folks, the point, as with most trolls, is merely to get attention. They don't care how they get it, just how much.

Say something outrageous/inane/untrue/whatever in a forum full of rational people, and suddenly everyone seemingly drops what they're doing to respond, telling it that it is an idiot.

Think of a kid's party, and their little brother keeps butting in doing stupid pranks. Everyone yells at him, calls him a pest, immature, etc., but the kid is happy because he got all the big kids to notice him.

I think that's what we have here....

[Steve Conner]

My amps are as quiet as stereo receivers anyway.

[Enzo]

Sure, but just think how much quieter they'd be if you added in a few farads of filter. Tighten up that bottom end as well.

[mykey]

$10,000 sets of custom made CDE mica capacitors??? WTF???

I don't buy it. Use the search function on this board and you'll see that more than one member here has experience in soliciting CDE for large custom production runs of capacitors. Just for reference, a $10,000 custom order is several orders of magnitude shy of what it takes to get their attention. The cost of downtime on their existing production lines is so immense that CDE won't consider retooling one of their production lines for you even if YOU offer to pay for the setup as part of your custom order for several million units.

CDE won't do this unless you have a business license, and you will need to wait 6 months or more to receive them. The claim is anything but outlandish, it's absolutely true. In silver mica production, CDE will process custom orders of 1% 1000 V or higher units which is what these are. It is rather unfortunate that these are not easily available to builders or stocked by regular off the shelf suppliers.
Anything that presents departure from the status quo of 1950's technology amp design seems to upset these techs. The majority don't want to build or design quieter amplifiers, they won't even consider trying an idea that doesn't appear in the 1947 RCA tube manual. Instead they prefer to attack those who would even suggest a new idea.
There are a few of us who have dared to be innovative, and push beyond the 1950's approach. It has become rather obvious that almost all tube amps built since that time are just the same design, copied over and over again, packaged in different shapes and sizes.
Siver mica caps, Black Gate electrolytics, Teflon circuit boards, magnetic shielding, Kapton insulation, silver Teflon wire, metal film aerospace resistors, are just some examples of the materials used to push this art forward. Difficult to obtain? definitely, but far from impossible.
Hats off today to those builders who have dreamed of doing something new and better.

[mykey]

Actually, folks, the point, as with most trolls, is merely to get attention. They don't care how they get it, just how much.

Say something outrageous/inane/untrue/whatever in a forum full of rational people, and suddenly everyone seemingly drops what they're doing to respond, telling it that it is an idiot.

Think of a kid's party, and their little brother keeps butting in doing stupid pranks. Everyone yells at him, calls him a pest, immature, etc., but the kid is happy because he got all the big kids to notice him.

829 views this morning, there's something interesting going on here.