fender silverfaced super twin new speaker reqd

[blindboybenton]

Hi All

This is something im not so hot on. My customer has asked me to repair his amp One of his 12" speakers are shot. he's asked me what are good speakers to replacement with. On the back of the speaker is 005379

What would be a good replacement or whats your choice?

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[Chuck H]

That doesn't look like a speaker code number. Check on the rim. Also, please describe the speaker. Those amps came with a couple of different model Utah speakers IIRC. One with a round magnet and one with a square magnet. You may be able to find a new model match for the round magnet model but I doubt anyone has enough info on the square magnet model. This assumes the idea is to match the replacement speaker to the stock tone. Otherwise any 100+ watt, 12" 8 ohm speaker is fine. Without specs on the original the new speaker is likely to be more efficient than the old one and that means your customer is going to be hearing mostly the new speaker after the repair.

[J M Fahey]

Post pictures.
That said, the original Super Twin had a bland sounding pair of speakers, because they had to be very heavy to stand all that power.
I repaired them long ago, remember a huge magnet, large and heavy voice coil, thick cone, no brightness to speak of.

Donīt remember the model name, but thereīs an Eminence 150W guitar speaker which will fit and is close to what you have.
Not expensive, your customer could go for two of them.

[Leo_Gnardo]

thereīs an Eminence 150W guitar speaker which will fit and is close to what you have.
Not expensive, your customer could go for two of them.

Eminence Texas Heat, one of my favorites. I call it the poor man's EV-12M. 2 inch voice coil, 150W rated, not sizzly shrieky bright, just enough top end to get the message across and nice fat mids & lows. Given all that it's dead cheap at @ $80, you can get 'em from Musicians Fiend retail & I can't really beat the price at wholesalers. 8 or 16 ohms. Works well as a bass speaker say in a vintage Bassman 50W head with 2x12 cab rig. Luv them Tex Heats!

[g1]

005379 was a Utah, mid or late '70s. The suggestions for replacements given above seem very reasonable.

[The Dude]

I've seen that number before. It should be a Utah- round magnet with a Fender log sticker on the back? That said, nothing special about those speakers. There are a multitude of speakers that would sound as good or better in that amp. Which one? It depends primarily on what sound the customer is looking for and what kind of music he plays. The only suggestion I would have would be to look for something with a wider response curve (translated-less upper middy sounding). In my opinion, because of the proximity of the 12's in that particular cabinet, they couple extremely well in the 1-2K area, which is generally something you don't want, although there are players who like this.

[Chuck H]

A little digging turned up some Utah speakers (005379) that also had the number 328237 on the frame edge. This number would be the speaker code system I'm familiar with. After Juan's glowing endorsement I didn't bother looking into an exact replacement model

I'll second what Juan said. Get a pair of Emi's for less than $200 (US). The efficiency and tonal improvement will be enormous. Utah speakers have a reputation for being low efficiency and poor in tone. Even Fender enthusiasts ignore them. I just saw a vintage Utah on eBay from a BF Fender amp in perfect condition. It wasn't the Super TR model but what's interesting is that it was "buy it now" for $45. Clearly there isn't much collectible interest in these speakers even as OEM for BF Fenders!

[blindboybenton]

Many thanks for all your ideas on the speakers i will look into them and let him know. he's done some digging himself and he is looking at The Eminence red while and blues 12" 8 ohm 120watt

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[potatofarmer]

I've been looking into getting new speakers for my 135W Twin and the Red White and Blues seem to be nearly universally praised in Twins. Personally I'm leaning towards one RW&B and one Swamp Thang.

Does the owner really love the original speakers? Reconing might be an option. The price would probably be comparable to buying a new Eminence though.

[Mick Bailey]

I've had a few Silverface amps with the orange JBLs. Fender must have thought the standard speakers weren't too great so offered them as a special order upgrade.

I too would go with Texas Heats. Ideally a pair but you'll still get a better sounding amp with just replacing the damaged unit. They're a big improvement over the stock speakers and a lot louder. You still retain the Fender sparkle. There's no point in me trying to describe the sound, but I've never been disappointed with them. Even better (in my view) is the Cannabis Rex, but a pair of these in a Twin takes some self-control on the volume knob to keep them at safe levels.

A recone is about Ģ45.

[Chuck H]

If the owner likes the sound of the original Utah's they'll probably like the RW&B's... Blechk! I have a pair that I tried for about the time it took to install them and take them out. Big, undefined low mids, not much bass and treble. Really boxy sounding. No pizazz at all. Just not my thing I guess. Unfortunately they're 16 ohm units or I'd offer them for sale to the OP.

[Chuck H]

The C-Rex was one of my favorite speakers out of the box. Once it broke in it was too dull sounding. Real disappointment for me. I replaced it with a V30 that was too harsh with a pronounced upper mid peak. Now that speaker sounds perfect! But I really hope I never need to break in a new one. That was a sentence.

Remember that we're talking about a "Super Twin" here. The typical "Twin" speaker set won't do. At 50W rating the C-Rex just isn't up to it.

[J M Fahey]

Yes, donīt forget itīs a *SUPER* Twin.
Ultralinear, very high +B voltage (that alone is a problem), SIX x 6L6 .

Imagine the loudest Twin ever , the Silverface 135W, then add 50% of everything.

Not surprisingly they had to use very heavy (consequently dull) speakers.

The real choice is very limited.

Unless you want to go for 2 x EVM12L , that is.

[blindboybenton]

Well red white and blues has been ordered, so lets see

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