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    Shure 700 Pro Master Mixer - Powered - Need Advise



    Shure 700 powered mixer. he "Shutdown" LED is lit up. When I first powered this monster up, the audio had a crackle to it. More so on channel B than A. If I give it much volume at all, the audio amps shut off. I have to turn it off, wait a few minutes, and turn it on again. So, I removed the power supply boatd and found a cracked solder joint on a capacitor (the solder was completely gone), after that I have no audio, just a hum. Oh, and that cap was 1500uf, and was marked 1000uf. I plan on ordering all new caps for power and output boards. But I was wondering if anyone here has experience with this mixer and/or wouldlike to offer advise? I want to take some voltage readings, but where should I start? Thanks
    pdf is in the zip file

    Here are some notes taken from the service manual

    Shure Pro Master 700 mixer notes
    __________________________________

    1.Capacitors C609 and C610 insure stability during limiting.

    2.Thermistors RT602 and RT603 (mounted on transistor
    Q614 and Q615 heat sinks) monitor the transistor case temperatures.

    3. Diodes D609 and D608 are normally reverse-biased and
    do not conduct. But with highly reactive amplifier loads, the
    diodes will conduct to prevent reverse-voltage breakdown
    of the output transistors.

    4. Thermistor RT601 is mounted on output transistor Q613.
    Comparators U503A and U503B compare a constant refer-nce voltage of 0.73V to the voltage across RT601. When
    an unusually high temperature of 70°C (158OF) is reached
    on the heat sink, RT6Ol's voltage will have dropped to the
    reference voltage and U503A or U503B will change state,
    turning on theTEMP WARNING LED (D801). If the temperature
    continues to rise to 100°C (212OF), RT6Ol's voltage
    drops below 0.3V, U503C or U503D changes state, turning
    off Q502 and Q501, opening relay K1, and turning on the
    SHUTDOWN LED (D802). In this condition, the power amps
    are partially powered but all other (low-level) circuits and
    the fan (BI) remain fully on. This condition remains until
    the temperature on the heat sink drops to 70°C, when the
    LEDs turn off and full power is restored to the power amps.
    RT501 is a positive-temperature-coeffic~ent thermistor
    with a threshold at 120°C (248OF). It is mounted on the
    Power Supply board (A5) in front of fan 61 in the path of the
    air flow through the PC board-fan assembly. When air
    motion is severely restricted, RT501 heats and its resistance
    Increases (from 450 to approximately 1200 ohms).
    The current through R502 is reduced and the voltage
    drop across R502 is not enough to keep transistor Q501
    turned on. (2501 turns off, opening relay K1 and turning
    on the SHUTDOWN LED. It is extremely important that
    RT501 should be mounted in the path of the air flow, its
    body perpendicular to the flow, approximately %" from
    and not bent flat against the power supply board.,

    5. The SPEAKER OUTPUTS dc sensor circuit is comprised
    of comparator U504 and associated components. A portion
    of the output voltage is derived from the divider network of
    R640 and R641 on the power amp board. It is fed to the
    comparator inputs, and capacitors C509 and C510 remove
    the audio signal leaving only the dc component. When the
    dc output at the SPEAKER OUTPUTS jacks exceeds + 3QV,
    U504 changes state, cutting off transistors Q501 and (2502,
    opening relay K1, and turning on SHUTDOWN LED D802.
    Note that, when the comparator outputs change state,
    diode D509 and resistor R518 cause "latching"; the power
    switch must be turned off and back on to reactivate the
    console. This feature is designed to call attention to the
    presence of excessive dc at the output, which is an abnormal
    condition and probably requires servicing.
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    Quote:" 5. The SPEAKER OUTPUTS dc sensor circuit is comprised
    of comparator U504 and associated components. A portion
    of the output voltage is derived from the divider network of
    R640 and R641 on the power amp board. It is fed to the
    comparator inputs, and capacitors C509 and C510 remove
    the audio signal leaving only the dc component. When the
    dc output at the SPEAKER OUTPUTS jacks exceeds + 3QV,
    U504 changes state, cutting off transistors Q501 and (2502,
    opening relay K1, and turning on SHUTDOWN LED D802.
    Note that, when the comparator outputs change state,
    diode D509 and resistor R518 cause "latching"; the power
    switch must be turned off and back on to reactivate the
    console. This feature is designed to call attention to the
    presence of excessive dc at the output, which is an abnormal
    condition and probably requires servicing. "

    Check for unwanted Vdc on the outputs.
    If there is more than a few 10's of millivolts, then the output section is bad.

    Forget voltage checks for now.
    Drain the supply & look for shorted output transistors.

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    • #3
      I have -0.205 vdc on thespeaker jacks. Negative -0.205vdc

      I found more crack solderjoints. Fixed those.

      Now I have audio on the headphones jack, but when I connect speakers, I get nothing and loose the headphone audio too.

      I'll check for bad output transistor. I would need to remove those transistors from circuit before testing, correct? Thanks

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      • #4
        No you do not need to remove the output transistors to check them.
        (SM, Pg 8)
        I think this repair is going to be a bit more involved than that anyway.

        You would be well advised to check the power supplies first.
        Look for stability, + & = rails the same voltage.
        Flip your meter to read Vac & look for abnormal ripple. (bad capacitors)

        If the power supply does check as good, then you need to send a signal through & see what is going on.
        Refrain from hooking up a load until you know that the amp can pass a signal without one.
        You can go in the PA In jacks to bypass the preamp section, if that helps to narrow down the issue.

        The provided Service Manual has some very good information included.
        You would be well advises to read it through, twice.

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        • #5
          I checked all output transistors, and all check good. Is it possible that I have a faulty relay? K1. I can't find K1 on the schematics. The reason I think it's a faulty relay is when I first plugged this board up, I had speakers hooked up, and I had audio from the speakers. It was distorted, but it was working. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.

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          • #6
            Hey Enzo, what's your thoughts on this old beast?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CoopDaKill View Post
              I checked all output transistors, and all check good. Is it possible that I have a faulty relay? K1. I can't find K1 on the schematics. The reason I think it's a faulty relay is when I first plugged this board up, I had speakers hooked up, and I had audio from the speakers. It was distorted, but it was working. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
              The relay is part of the power supply, it is shown in the power supply schematic for the +&-55 volt power supply. When it is turned on, the power supplies to the power amps are reduced to a lower value which may or may not be the cause of the distortion.

              There are a number of ways for the amp to go into shutdown mode, you need to figure out which one is the actual cause. Is the shutdown led always on? Is the cooling fan working? Have you cleaned the air filter? Have you tested the multitude of thermistors?

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              • #8
                The relay is bad. I removed it and unhooked all connections to it and done an ohm test on the coil. It is open. I've found a new one online. Will someone verify that I'm buying the correct relay? Pics and link below. Thanks

                HL2-H-DC24V-F Panasonic Industrial Devices | Mouser


                Thanks 52 Bill and Jazz P Bass for helping me narrow this down. Now if I can just find a replacement relay. What's your thoughts on this ?
                Attached Files
                Last edited by CoopDaKill; 01-24-2015, 09:50 AM.

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                • #9
                  Anybody want to chime in on my relay question above?

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                  • #10
                    Go for it.

                    This supplier has the original: HL2-TM-DC24V M.E.C. Relays | Buy

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                    • #11
                      Problem SOLVED!!! It was the relay. I'd like to check and adjust the DC offset, but I don't have a signal generator. Any advise on this? Thanks to all

                      Nevermind, I found the DC offset adjustment instructions in the service manual.
                      Last edited by CoopDaKill; 02-02-2015, 04:11 PM.

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