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  • #16
    When taking measurements there are some things to consider. Some components cannot be tested in circuit because they are parallel with other components via the circuit path. That means many resistance reading may seem wrong. Also, there is usually some voltage lingering in the circuits. Even with power supplies designed to drain the voltage after power off there can still be some lingering and it may mess with your reading because your meter uses voltage to do it's job. So unless you can tell what can and cannot be tested accurately the results of in circuit readings can't give you any right or wrong answers.

    Since you've already had the amp powered up and it didn't explode I would venture to measure some voltages. Be sure the meter is set to the correct parameters if this is necessary. The amp would be live when you do this and you need to work safely. Do not hold the chassis, your guitar, the metal jack plug or freekin anything in the hand that's not holding the red probe. You may need to hold the black probe in that free hand to touch it to ground, but if you can you're better off securing it to a ground point with a clip lead.

    Start by making sure the amp is plugged into a load and all knobs are at zero. Then power up the amp and take it out of standby.

    The first thing you'll want to check for is DC voltage on the chassis. Touch the black probe to something that is grounded that ISN'T your amp. Now touch the red probe to your amp chassis. If you don't get zero the amp is dangerous and must be unplugged immediately. Hopefully you get zero. Then we can move forward.

    Ok, actually, if you're using a digital meter you probably won't get zero. You'll get some tiny default amount. Touch the meter probes together. That is your default reading. You can ignore it because it's probably tiny or trouble to subtract it from all your readings. Your choice. Moving forward.

    Next you'll want to check for DC voltage on jacks or pots. Black probe grounded to your amp chassis and red probe to the + terminal of jacks. Note that some jacks have switches built into them that function when you plug in and out, this should be readily visible. Plug a cable into these jacks and take your reading from the tip of the plug. Measure the center lug of all potentiometers. There should be no voltage on any jack or pot except perhaps the "presence" control. If all this checks out we can move forward.

    Now we will check DC volts on pin 5 of each output tube. These should read some amount of negative voltage. Probably in the range of -35V to -50V. If it's not there you're cooking your power tubes. Turn the amp off. If it's there we move forward.

    The power supply has a sequence. The main filter is the first large capacitor off the rectifier. Measure DC voltage at the + lead of that capacitor. Proceed with the other filter capacitors in sequence. You should have some 4XX volts on the main filter and a little less at each consecutive filter. Moving forward...

    Are you taking notes? You're going to have to tell us this stuff!!!

    Now measure the DC volts on every other tube pin. We call the first preamp tube V1, the second V2 and the one nearest the power tubes is V3. The power tubes will be V4 and V5. If your amp is using a rectifier tube that would be V6. Make your notes like this V1-3-1.8V That would translate V1, pin 3, 1.8 volts.

    We'll be here when you get back
    Last edited by Chuck H; 09-05-2016, 11:13 PM.
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    • #17
      On the input jack sockets the ground (sleeve) isn't connected. I only see a connection on the switched side connecting the input to ground when the plug is removed (as usual). It could only work if the jack sockets weren't isolated from chassis but I think they are plastic Cliff sockets with an insulating washer on a JTM45. Is that correct?

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      • #18
        With everything unplugged and the caps drained?
        You can check the strapping and wiring from the board to the tube sockets, and pots, with an ohm meter.
        On the jack wiring, you can test that with a guitar cord plugged in each jack and test with the ohm meter.
        If you don't have ground on the cord plug sleeve then like mentioned you have no ground on the jacks.
        Test with an ohm meter thoroughly before pulling the board.
        If a strap is missing, just put the missing strap on top.
        GL,
        T
        "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
        Terry

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        • #19
          Simple File Sharing and Storage. I followed the metro instructions for the jacks, think they are right? Im about to do all the testing chuck had mentioned. Will post soon.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by big_teee View Post
            With everything unplugged and the caps drained?
            You can check the strapping and wiring from the board to the tube sockets, and pots, with an ohm meter.
            On the jack wiring, you can test that with a guitar cord plugged in each jack and test with the ohm meter.
            If you don't have ground on the cord plug sleeve then like mentioned you have no ground on the jacks.
            Test with an ohm meter thoroughly before pulling the board.
            If a strap is missing, just put the missing strap on top.
            GL,
            T
            Im only getting resistance/cont readings on the tip of the plug, not the sleeve. Not sure if that is right or if its supposed to be grounded on the sleeve?

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            • #21
              Sounds like a ground missing on the jacks.
              This layout shows where the ground comes from.
              http://site.triodestore.com/JTM45LAYOUT.pdf
              T
              "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
              Terry

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              • #22
                Originally posted by big_teee View Post
                Sounds like a ground missing on the jacks.
                This layout shows where the ground comes from.
                http://site.triodestore.com/JTM45LAYOUT.pdf
                T
                Grounds look right, Still only reading on the tip not the sleeve though

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                • #23
                  See post #17

                  The picture looks as though you've connected to ground at the "switch" ends of the jack lugs rather than the contact ends. That means when you plug in a cable your cable sleeve won't contact ground.
                  "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

                  "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

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                  You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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                  • #24
                    I also see the problem.(I didn't read chucks post before I wrote this)
                    Here is his wiring picture.
                    Simple File Sharing and Storage.
                    Compare that to this diagram.
                    http://site.triodestore.com/JTM45LAYOUT.pdf
                    You turned your jacks terminals facing the pots, instead of facing the end of the amp.
                    So when you wired you jacks you wired to the wrong side of the jack switch.
                    When you plug in your cord you are opening the ground.
                    You will have to rewire your jacks.
                    I have a cliff jack and cord in my hand, so I can see that is the case!
                    T
                    Last edited by big_teee; 09-12-2016, 02:22 AM.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by big_teee View Post
                      I also see the problem.(I didn't read chucks post before I wrote this)
                      Here is his wiring picture.
                      Simple File Sharing and Storage.
                      Compare that to this diagram.
                      http://site.triodestore.com/JTM45LAYOUT.pdf
                      You turned your jacks terminals facing the pots, instead of facing the end of the amp.
                      So when you wired you jacks you wired to the wrong side of the jack switch.
                      When you plug in your cord you are opening the ground.
                      You will have to rewire your jacks.
                      I have a cliff jack and cord in my hand, so I can see that is the case!
                      T
                      Oh wow, I was not aware the jacks switched like that. I will resolder right now.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ColeC View Post
                        Oh wow, I was not aware the jacks switched like that. I will resolder right now.
                        WE HAVE SOUNDDD FROM THE GUITAR!!! Amp sounds awesome other than the initial static is still there and very loud as of right now.I dont want to play it too much in fear of burning something out

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ColeC View Post
                          WE HAVE SOUNDDD FROM THE GUITAR!!! Amp sounds awesome other than the initial static is still there and very loud as of right now.I dont want to play it too much in fear of burning something out
                          Alright i just found 4vdc on the middle lug of the mid pot. Im guessing a leaking cap? any input?

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                          • #28
                            Found it, 250PF cap on tone stack! Thank you all!

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