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  • Fender Bassman 250 muting circuit

    EDIT: Initially I thought I had an issue with the mute circuit, but have since realized the issue is after that.

    Bassman 250 in for no output. It is totally silent. I trace signal from input jack, through FX in/out,thru the Master pot circuit, thru the connector to the PA board and up to the base of Q200. I see a very faint sine on the emitter, 100mV, but that's where I lose it.

    So now I am looking at the thermal circuit to the lower left of Q200, and I measure -0.04vdc at TP 11, and -56.5v at TP12. Both diodes test good in circuit. Can I get a hand sorting this out?
    fender_bassman_250_fba_schematic_rev-a (1).pdf
    Last edited by Randall; 09-01-2017, 08:15 PM.
    It's weird, because it WAS working fine.....

  • #2
    So no output. Even no background sound? And we tested the speaker and wires?

    C35? You generally cannot measure signal at the input pins of op amps, so look on pin 7 of U9, if signal is there, then count on it coming through C35.

    Do the headphones work.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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    • #3
      Speaker and wires are good. It's on my bench with my test speaker rig, same outcome. It sometimes will make noise when I probe the outputs. Headphones do not work.

      Barking up the wrong tree here I suppose. Now not focusing on the mute circuit, I see an attenuated signal that follows the Master control appears on the base of Q200 in the PA section, but that's where I lose it. Also notice a faint and fading 1K tone thru speaker when I probe the emitter with my scope probe.

      I could use some help with the thermal circuit in section A6.
      Last edited by Randall; 09-01-2017, 08:18 PM.
      It's weird, because it WAS working fine.....

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      • #4
        Looks like a problem with the thermal circuit around Q224-Q225. Check that you have the -16V , or C214 could be shorted.
        Or a bad transistor. TP11 should be around -10V.

        This circuit controls current flowing into the base of Q226. No current = no signal through the input stage, disabling the power amp.

        Doug

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        • #5
          I lifted the 3 diodes and 2 caps, and they tested good. The 3 transistors tested good in circuit, so I left them alone for fear of heat damage getting the little buggers out. I pulled RT1 and it measured 60 ohms, and rose in value when I hit it briefly with the heat gun, so I took it to be working. Then I measured what was left, which was only a few resistors, and voila! R256 18K was open. I replaced it, and now it passes signal. I don't exactly understand how this circuit works, but I found and fixed the problem, so all is good.

          Except for those two shafts that pulled out of the pots due to the knobs being frozen to them.
          It's weird, because it WAS working fine.....

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