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Mysteries of the Bench: case#2 - The Venerable 774 Rectifier Tube!

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  • Mysteries of the Bench: case#2 - The Venerable 774 Rectifier Tube!

    (We solved this mystery, but not before it got the better of us for a half day)

    We got an ol' Premier 50 combo amp in the shop. I went over after one of the guys pulled the back panel off to take a look at what we were dealing with. The first thing I noted was that the tubes had numerical designations I wasn't familiar with.
    So, I go back to my bench and continued working and a few minutes later I hear "you know anything about a 774 tube?? See what you can find out. Nothing comes up on Duncan's TDSL?"
    Tracking down any manufacturing data published by Multivox/Premier is considered archeology at this point. But I've never, and I mean ever stumped Duncan and Frank's tube data archives before. Seems no one has heard of a 774 tube before.
    It didn't take long for us to know we both were getting nowhere. So, we set it aside and sent out word to a collector/dealer we know of in Western Mass, to see if he came up with anything. Sometime later on, out of the blue, I hear my boss chuckle and says. "Ha! we've been looking for a tube that doesn't exist... I bet it's a friggin 'Z' with the bottom of the letter gone, not a 7!" I think, oh right – 7V heater... 4 electrodes?? Yeah, 7Z4 sound much more like a rectifier tube now. Wouldn't ya' know, there are datasheets for days regarding a 7Z4.
    Okay, so it may not have taken a half day to crack the case, but it was sure long enough to feel like an arse. In my 3 weeks of doing this so far, something new always seems to pop up and trick me into chasing gremlins that aren't there.
    So, this is similar to what we saw.
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    I keep having to remind myself not to be convinced of anything until it has been tested, confirmed, and repaired. Of course, the problem with this philosophy is it's untested, unconfirmed, and subject to change.
    If I have a 50% chance of guessing the right answer, I guess wrong 80% of the time.

  • #2
    Originally posted by SoulFetish View Post
    sent out word to a collector/dealer we know of in Western Mass, to see if he came up with anything.
    The only outfit I knew of that answers this description was Cold Spring in Belchertown - but I haven't been able to track them down in recent years. Does your connection have anything to do with them or is that someone else? And whatever happened to Cold Spring? Inquiring minds want to know.
    This isn't the future I signed up for.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
      The only outfit I knew of that answers this description was Cold Spring in Belchertown - but I haven't been able to track them down in recent years. Does your connection have anything to do with them or is that someone else? And whatever happened to Cold Spring? Inquiring minds want to know.
      Belchertown?! Them's my ol' digs right there. I went to school out in Western Mass and I used to know the area much better. "Cold Spring" in Belchertown seems to bring up a lot of hits when searching. My guess is that Cold Spring is the name of a village or section of Belchertown. No luck tracking down anything matching vacuum tube/electronics. However one of the first listings was for this:
      VIVA TUBES - Thousands of Tested Vintage NOS Vacuum Tubes in Stock
      New Location & Expansion - Big Things are Happening! - VIVA TUBES
      Who, consequently, is who I was referring to in my original post. It's a new location, so he may have had some connection to the joint you're talking about. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any solid leads for you.
      Did you spend some time out east once upon a time?
      If I have a 50% chance of guessing the right answer, I guess wrong 80% of the time.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SoulFetish View Post
        Did you spend some time out east once upon a time?
        Not really any further out east than NY, as it says Dogpatch-on-Hudson. And I have a bunch of relatives & friends in Mass, from the Boston metro area out to Whately just north of Northampton.

        In any case some of my customers used to pay kings ransom prices to buy tubes & whatnot from this Cold Spring outfit in Belchertown. What advantage they had was an inventory of rare tubes, so if you couldn't find say an EL37 anywhere else - they were the only place to go. In recent searches I have been unable to find Cold Spring so figured they either went out of biz or changed their name. Maybe Viva is what they turned into. Thanks for the lead. I'm always interested in knowing sources, whether I personally use them or not, I can recommend them to others when appropriate.

        Edit: Had a blink at Viva's website. They're in Easthampton. For new tubes they have a wide selection of New Sensor and JJ, and their prices are not only competitive, they seem to be on the low side. Very unlike Cold Spring who charged country club prices for everything. So, on that basis I'm tempted to give 'em a whirl one of these days. Shipping should take no more than a day, or two at most. Kool! Thanks again SoulFetish!
        Last edited by Leo_Gnardo; 10-18-2017, 12:01 PM.
        This isn't the future I signed up for.

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        • #5
          Thought all locktals were 7 or 14 on the first digits? Good luck as you said, finding a correct Premier schematic.

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          • #6
            Most are, but there's some 1s, 3s, 35s, & a 50 in RC-15. Maybe more in later editions.

            Justin
            "Wow it's red! That doesn't look like the standard Marshall red. It's more like hooker lipstick/clown nose/poodle pecker red." - Chuck H. -
            "Of course that means playing **LOUD** , best but useless solution to modern sissy snowflake players." - J.M. Fahey -
            "All I ever managed to do with that amp was... kill small rodents within a 50 yard radius of my practice building." - Tone Meister -

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