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  • Blackstar HTV-412A Speaker Cabinet wiring?

    Our Guitar dept sent over this Blackstar HTV-412A 4-12” Marshall-looking cabinet, sloped top like the top cabinet in the rig. The back panel’s screws were all released but present. Pried it off, to find the speakers inside flapping about, only one mounted with 2 screws, two with one screw, one not mounted. T-nuts all over the cabinet, some trapped between grill cloth and baffle as well as captured by the spkr magnets, as well as the screws that were present. I pulled it all apart, setting the wiring and the connector panel aside, un-mounted the speakers and set them aside, to deal with the cabinet’s T-Nuts. Only a few of the 16 were still pressed into the wood.

    All the T-nuts were present, and I used a small machinist vise to press in those that escaped the baffle, cutting into fresh wood. Only 12 of the 16 M5 x 25mm PH machine screws were present….all but two of the ext lock washers were gone. Added the missing screws & washers. After checking the four speakers, individually connected to my B & K 1023 Oscillator (directly drives spkrs) and found all are ok, I looked at the wiring and oriented the speakers accordingly on the baffles and mounted them.

    I hadn’t looked at the speaker connector plate yet. Looking at it now, I see it offers two Stereo 8 ohm jacks, a Mono 16 ohm jack and Mono 4 ohm jack, all done with Cliff-style switching jacks. 4 wires connect to the jack PCB, two per spkr. I assumed these had to be 4 ohms speakers. Wrong. DCR on them is 5.6 ohms, indicating 8 ohm speakers.

    With just the top two speakers connected, I got the impedance connections as called out by the plate. Normally, if it were 4 ohm spkrs, each pair you put in series, then let the jacks do the switching to yield a pair of 8 ohm loads, a 4 ohm or a 16 ohm mono load. I don’t see any way to do that with 8 ohm speakers. That yields 4 ohms, 4 ohms, 8 ohms and 2 ohms. Or Stereo 16 ohms, 32 ohms mono and 8 ohms mono. It’s always the simple stuff that messes with my head. Am I missing something here (besides expecting 4 ohm speakers x 4) ?

    I checked the only other Blackstar cabinet here across the street, and it measured correctly.
    Last edited by nevetslab; 10-26-2018, 09:32 PM.
    Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence

  • #2
    When you measured the 5.6 ohms, you were on the speaker directly and it was completely disconnected?
    Or were you at the jack plate? You said "4 wires connect to the jack PCB, two per spkr.", but 4 wires would only account for 2 speakers, so they are paired up. (4 wires connect to jack pcb, 2 per pair).
    The individual speakers must all be either 4 or 16 ohms to satisfy all the jack conditions. Can you check an individual speaker in the other cab.?
    Is this a rental unit? In the condition you received it, I'd be inclined to think someone may have pulled a switcheroo. When I worked with rental gear, this was not uncommon, especially for speaker cabs.
    Originally posted by Enzo
    I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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    • #3
      1) that cabinet certainly copies Marshall 1960 and offers exact same impedance choice.
      So use Marshall wiring.

      2) those speakers are not original, wrong impedance, etc.
      Probably last owner stole the 16 ohm Celestions and dropped any junk speakers he had around.
      Even the impedance is wrong.

      3) 2 options:

      a) junk the now useless backplate and wire existing speakers as a mono 8 ohm cabinet (most sensible option) and if you want to get fancy, as a stereo 16+16 ohm one with a switch which puts both sections in parallel.

      b) if you want to get even fancier get 4 x 16 ohm speakers and wire it per modern 1960 cabinet specs.
      Waste of time and money considering what that cabinet may sell for but, hey, itīs a valid option.

      EDIT: straight from the mouth of the horse:

      Blackstar_Amps said:

      Hi Sage,

      Thanks for contacting us at Blackstar Amps.

      The HTV-412 uses Celestion Seventy 80 speakers and is made of particle board.

      Kind Regards

      Jamie Thompson
      Product Specialist
      Blackstar Amplification
      +44 (0)1604 652844
      Blackstar Amplification - Guitar Amplifiers, Amps, Pedals, Valves
      Click to expand...
      Last edited by J M Fahey; 10-27-2018, 08:09 AM.
      Juan Manuel Fahey

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      • #4
        This cabinet IS using the Celestion Seventy 80 speakers, each measured 5.6 ohms isolated, ON the spkr terminals. With the original cabinet wiring (which wasn't connected when it was delivered to me), it must have been 16 ohm spkrs, as the second harness was intended for having two pair of speakers in parallel.

        The cabinet came from our rental inventory....though there was NOT a CenterStaging Inventory sticker on it. I know we have a bunch of their gear that are stage props. I don't have any history on the cabinet yet. All four speakers work, and for now, I'm thinking I'll put the two pairs in series, so you can get stereo 16 ohms and Mono 8 ohms. Mono 32 ohms would also be there (instead of the Mono 16 ohms), but at least any of the Blackstar amp heads can drive the 'stereo' 16 ohm spkrs.

        And yes, I've seen Vox amps come back without their original speakers that went out with them on rentals. Young kids hired to do the grunt work in the guitar dept checking stuff in don't know to scrutinize stuff like that until it's discovered too late.
        Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence

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