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  • FLUKE 8060A DMM Maiantenance

    Of late, I've been having one of my two Fluke 8060A DMM's not turn on. Not yet willing to admit defeat, I kept cycling the green power switch on/off until it began showing signs of coming to life (fresh battery). Sometimes this would take up to a minute. Pressing on the upper end of the body, pressing down around the upper end of the LCD display, other places to see if it's some contact issue inside, then it wakes up, all ok. For a while. It would also sometimes lock up and not update the reading. Another oddity I first began noticing was when reading high DC voltages (plate voltage, plate supply voltages, it would sometimes beep at me, then lock up and go thru not wanting to read until I turned it on and off a few times to restore order.

    So, today, I removed the battery, then the three #6 thread-forming screws that holds the top cover in place, then remove the screw thru the calibration shield, so I could then lift that off and slip the meter out of the bottom cover. With it out I brushed out the dust & debris that had gathered under the switch buttons on the PCB. Removed the GRN power switch actuator lever over the small SPDT power switch. Brushed in a little bit of Caig DeOxit into that. Looked closely at all of the solder joints, though all looked fine (using my surgical headlight & loupes). Then, removed the two screws holding the LCD assembly to the main board. Underneath that is Fluke's main 40 pin LSI IC. I carefully pried it up from both sides, just enough to get it ready to come out, then pushed it back in, just to wipe the contacts. I brushed on some Caig DeOxit over the PCB contact pads that mate with the fine contact strip of the LCD assembly to the main PCB, then re-seated that assembly, screwed it back into place. Cleaned the glass surface of the LCD display. All else looked ok, so I put it back together in reverse order, after first cleaning off the dirt accumulation on the rubber contact button strip (Hz, dB, Beep, REL functions), and put it back into place. Drove the three screws back into place, put the battery back in, closed its' lid.

    Now it powered up immediately first time. I haven't gone thru a full systems check, with a resistance decade box, DC source, AC source, then Hi Voltage to see if that beeping and lockup problem is still there. I've so far just checked it with my Audio Analyzer's oscillator, ranging it from 10hz-100kHz, -50dBV thru +20dBV, and all is tracking fine there. 0 thru +/- 20VDC have been fine. Diode test ok. I'll get to the rest shortly.

    Feeling a bit more brave (I don't always pull these instruments apart...only when needed), I pulled the cover off my other one. Almost immediately, I wish I hadn't. The lower cover screw removed, the molded recessed screw-shoulder relief fell apart into seven pieces, and the mating screw thread boss of the top cover has two lengthy cracks in it, running a good half-inch down it's length. Sigh...........

    I tried briefly to re-assemble the shrapnel of the recessed cover screw-shoulder thing, using super glue. That went nowhere fast, and I gave up on that. The thead-forming screw is 3/4" #6 PH....an odd looking screw if you've never seen one. The two different height pitches, one high, one low as the spiral up the shank. I thought if I were to glue the mating boss cylinder walls back together, I could buy a 1" long screw, pass it thru a nylon shoulder washer that now pulls down on the outside of the case, rather than inside, since there's no more recessed body to work with.

    There was just enough space at the top of the mating screw boss to slip some lacing cord around the top of it, and tightened it up firmly. After trying to thread different thread-cutting screws into it, just to see what I had that was long enough, I backed away from that thought, as it was stressing the cracks in that part of the molded assy. I then cut a piece of cable jacket, long and thick enough to slip over it, as it is placed between two of the three molded insulator cylinders of the meter's connectors, and clamped it down with a machinist clamp. Then, I drove a #6-32 tap down it's throat, cutting those threads all the way down to it's depth, backed the tap out a couple times to expell the cut plastic debris. That was enough to drive a long #6-32 machine screw in, and wasn't distorting the body cracks.

    I then repeated the maintenance on this DMM's innards, as I had done on the other, then put it back together, this time using a 1" long #6-32 PHMS, with a nylon shoulder washer under the screw head on that lower screw hole, tightened it up as much as I dare, and tried it out. Working fine again. Ran some initial comparison readings between the two meters, and see each are within a few LSD's in their readings. Close enough for rock n' roll.

    I still have to see what these do with plate voltage levels, as that was a recent development that made me nervous....my other DMM's here can't read beyond 300VDC (the Philips PM2535) and beyond 250VDC (HP 3467A 4-Ch logging DMM). I do have an old Simpson 460 Series 5 which is battery powered and has the small analog meter in the lower left corner. I gotta repair the charging circuit for the D-size NiCd batteries on it, when I get a chance.
    Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence

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    I love these posts

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    • #3
      The plot thickens. Later in the day, when I reached for the first 8060A that had not been turning on with any certainty if not used for days, it had sat idle for a couple hours since I had it opened up and cleaned it. It didn't turn on again. Exercising the on/off switch eventually got erratic response on the display, but never did come on all the way. Applying pressure on the display end of the instrument got me nowhere. Hitting it against my open palm eventually evoked a squawk in protest, but I ended in defeat, having to pack it in for the day, not having time yet to open it up and pursue it further.

      On the way home, I wondered about that Charger input to the right of the display on the upper right side of the instrument. I've never made use of that, and, checking the schematic, it is in the path between the battery and the power switch, and plugging in a mating connector breaks the connection from the battery. So, I thought I'd see if that's involved, as I didn't think to clean it.

      When I got in, I reached for the other instrument which I had to cobble a solution to replace the bottom screw, went to turn it on, and now IT doesn't turn on!

      Nor does switching it on (no display), selecting low ohms, Continuity Mode, and shorting the test leads to see if it's just the display or worse. No beep. This is NOT GOOD!

      I had made a NOTE TO SELF during my service notes: The other meter so far is working. Hopefully it remains that way, and doesn’t also fail. I’d be sunk if that happens!

      Is it time to feel apprehensive yet? Digging back in now.

      Fluke_8060A Inst Man.pdf
      Last edited by nevetslab; 03-08-2019, 06:09 PM.
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      • #4
        Think I have a broken one of those around here somewhere.

        I'll break it open and fix it and see if I can figure out what's up with yours.

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        • #5
          Both 8060A's have been restored! I opened the first one up that stopped working late yesterday, extracted the main PCB assy from the bottom cover, after removing the top cover, then set it down on the antistatic pad (yes, I WAS equipped with grounded antistatic pad and grounded wrist band during the servicing), and removed the two screws securing the LCD display again. With my surgical loupes and headlight on (shown in my avatar), I saw discoloration on the plated contact surface pads of the main PCB, and cleaned that off with denatured alcohol, then dried it. Did the same on the soft contact connector surface of the LCD assembly, as well as on the PCB contact surface for the soft-key conductor pads. Put the LCD assembly back onto the main PCB, put the main PCB back into the bottom cover, after first slipping the GRN power switch actuator over the slide switch, then installed the shielded calibration cover. With the top cover still off, I reconnected the battery and flipped the power switch on.

          Instrument woke up as it has always done in the past before it began getting erratic this past year. I breathed a sigh of relief as I removed the battery, put the top cover back on and drove the screws back in, put the battery back in and it's cover back into place. Powered it on again, and still working!

          I then took the other 8060A apart, repeated the same steps, while stopping to look at the cracked lower screw mating boss, to see the cracks in it have worsened since tapping it for #6-32 and using the longer cover screw. I'll have to address that with some JB Weld after some clamping to minimize that, and let the cover sit overnight to cure. I repeated the same steps on this one as I just did on the other, and after getting it back together, top cover still off, it too now powers back up just fine. Completed reassembly, still powers up.

          Moved my Kikisui 0-300VDC bench supply to the bench to verify each respond to that without objections, which they did. I haven't opened up one of the Fender Twins for service yet, but will later in the day, so I can see if each now properly behave when reading upwards to 480VDC, where one had been beeping and locking up the reading. Still don't know what that was about.

          I next moved my ESI DB655 0-1.111111M decade box to the bench and connected each meter to that, checking them thru all the ranges, and both are in tight agreement. So, that's a relief.

          I also verified the Ext Supply connections on the upper right-hand side of the instrument. Center Pin is Ground, Sleeve is Signal, and that switches off the internal battery when used. It's NOT a 2.1mm ID/5.5mm OD connector...it's the smaller size, which I don't have on hand (gotta look that size up).

          So, hopefully THIS crisis is over. I'll know more when I get access to tube power supply potentials.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by nevetslab View Post
            So, hopefully THIS crisis is over. I'll know more when I get access to tube power supply potentials.
            Famous last words. This morning, when I came in, having taken a break over the weekend, I checked to see if both meters would power up. The one with the cracked screw mount came up ok, but the first one that had been having turn-on issues, only went thru the self-test, then displayed 'BT' and nothing else in the display. I could get it into Switch Test Mode, but exiting, it remained locked in 'BT' display mode. Sigh...........

            I looked thru the troubleshooting guide, which suggested issues with the microprocessor, or perhaps the power supply that's partially controlled by that. I got out the grounding wrist strap, the antistatic mat and again pulled it apart, removed the LCD assembly from the main PCB, again cleaned the contact surface on the main PCB that mates with the soft-contact connector strip of the LCD PCB assy, which has the microprocessor on it's PCB, and then re-assembled it, leaving the cover off. Connected the battery, switched on again, and it came back up normal, working.

            Put it all back together, and its' still working, so far. I hope this hasn't now become the necessary ritual in order to have these meters work. I tend to be stubborn when I have become fond of a particular instrument. Of course there's loads of later-generation DMM's out there, though I've yet to find what I consider a next-generation instrument to the Fluke 8060A. Different, of course. Building upon what's there and adding more....NO. Not to mention being perpetually broke.
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            • #7
              What you are calling the 'soft-contact connector strip' , this is the elastomer or sometimes called 'zebra' strip? It has tiny embedded vertical wires in it?
              If so, it may be done. I've had the same happen with them and they get to the point where they just have to be replaced. Or cleaned daily which is not really practical.
              Can you post a pic of the connector strip?
              Originally posted by Enzo
              I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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              • #8
                Originally posted by g1 View Post
                What you are calling the 'soft-contact connector strip' , this is the elastomer or sometimes called 'zebra' strip? It has tiny embedded vertical wires in it?
                If so, it may be done. I've had the same happen with them and they get to the point where they just have to be replaced. Or cleaned daily which is not really practical.
                Can you post a pic of the connector strip?
                When I pull the other instrument apart to do the repairs on the cracked lower cover screw, I'll pull the unit apart for photos, and get that 'zebra strip' photographed. I meant to do the photo session while having them apart, but was more concerned at the time to get the instrument working again, they being my only meters that can measure above 300VDC here in the shop (at the moment).
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                • #9
                  I tend to be stubborn when I have become fond of a particular instrument.
                  I feel the same for my Philips PM2518X and Siemens B 1023 handheld true rms meters both of which I have been using for around 30 years now. Fluke never played a major role over here at least until they bought the Philips meter section.
                  Last edited by Helmholtz; 03-11-2019, 10:13 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nevetslab View Post
                    When I pull the other instrument apart to do the repairs on the cracked lower cover screw, I'll pull the unit apart for photos, and get that 'zebra strip' photographed.
                    I found one (I think) and some info on the zebra strip replacement. You can start at the linked post and work down from there.
                    https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testge...10/#msg1898810

                    And if you want to look through a 'fan' thread for old fluke meters (27 pages at least ) with some posts by the designers:
                    https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testge...e-multimeters/
                    Originally posted by Enzo
                    I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by g1 View Post
                      I found one (I think) and some info on the zebra strip replacement. You can start at the linked post and work down from there.
                      https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testge...10/#msg1898810

                      And if you want to look through a 'fan' thread for old fluke meters (27 pages at least ) with some posts by the designers:
                      https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testge...e-multimeters/
                      Ah, excellent. While neither of those posts showed the actual zebra strip, it's the one that is missing from the image, where you see the SMD uProcessor chip. I've never removed the LCD screen from the other side, so I don't yet know if I'm also dealing with that connection. I'm guessing from the two times back in, it has been a contact issues with the plated main PCB connecting to the zebra strip connector.

                      I also haven't seen this forum, so I'll have to explore it as well. Many thanks for the heads up!!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Helmholtz View Post
                        I feel the same for my Philips PM2518X and Siemens B 1023 handheld true rms meters both of which I have been using for around 30 years now. Fluke never played a major role over here at least until they bought the Philips meter section.
                        I have one of the Philips PM2535 System Multimeters on the bench, though it's sort of hidden from view, when I have any gear that's large on the test bench. And, in the ambient overhead light (florescent light 12 ft up on the ceiling), it really needs a local bar light to illuminate the LCD display. Also have the Philips PM5171 AC/Log DC converter that has always worked great as a dB/converter for driving plotters or storage scope Y-axis.
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