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  • Listening Device - Stethoscope or Mini Microphone Amplifier

    MEF Members and site visitors:

    On many occasions, we hear mechanical noise in our circuits. This could stem from caps making funny noises, relays slamming open and close, or perhaps other inexplicable phenomena. And to help isolate a problem area, you either need to stick your head into a live circuit or use some other type of listening device.

    I have seen and used home made Stethoscope type devices. This included small tubing - one end to poke around, the other in my ear. I have also used the inner tube of a paper towel role. Both help, but not a great solution.

    So I did some research and found a cool project board (MK136) from Velleman - the folks that bring you inexpensive project boards. They sell a device called the "Super Stereo Ear." This is a project kit that uses two electret microphones that are amplified using the NE5532 audio amplifier. The cost was just shy of $13.

    I made one mod to the kit - instead of mounting the microphones directly onto the pc board, I extended them so that I can have a safer "reach" area into a circuit board and other tight spots. I then twisted the wires and used heat shrink and hot glue to secure the connections.

    Hey, this thing works! You can find some demo vids on YouTube. I am considering dropping this into a small project box. But "as-is" and knowing it will get used sparingly, it's fine the way it is. As I move into my elder years, I might even pack this thing in a front shirt pocket and use it as a poor man's hearing aid! Who knows, maybe I will super-extend the mics and have them hanging off my head like "Uncle Martin" (of "My Favorite Martian).

    Tom
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    Some twenty years ago we (in my company) were faced with the challenge to identify the source of a buzzing converter board. We tried several solutions with different (dynamic and electret) miniature microphones. The results were disappointing. It turned out that it is impossible to sufficiently shield the transducers against interference fields present on the board. Dynamic transducers are sensitive to magnetic fields and electret transducers are sensitive to electric fields. Component noise is typically produced by either internal electrical (capacitors) or magnetic (inductors) AC fields, meaning that in close proximity to many (including silent) components the fields are often strong enough to predominate any "acoustic" signal of the capsule.

    The only device that worked satisfactorily was a mechanical stethoscope like this
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    Even a rolled newspaper as mentioned by Enzo worked better than the microphones.

    It turned out that the culprit was a film/foil polyester X2 capacitor.
    Last edited by Helmholtz; 03-26-2019, 10:07 PM.
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    • #3
      Good info to know... I will experiment a bit more inside the circuitry.

      Now, regarding your stethoscope photo... it looks like you have two rubber tubes feeding some type of metal tube that are joined in a rubber bulb, and a single probe of some kind (looks like metal with a rubber) as the tip?
      It's not just an amp, it's an adventure!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TomCarlos View Post
        Good info to know... I will experiment a bit more inside the circuitry.

        Now, regarding your stethoscope photo... it looks like you have two rubber tubes feeding some type of metal tube that are joined in a rubber bulb, and a single probe of some kind (looks like metal with a rubber) as the tip?
        Yes, the sensing part is just a massive metal rod connecting to a membrane (I think) inside the bigger black part. As the tip has to be in physical contact with the part to be tested, good insulation is essential. So I fitted a piece of hard plastic (no rubber as this would damp the vibration) to the tip.
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        • #5
          Ok.... so if you had a cheapo stethoscope that ends up in a single channel, you can simply attach a metal tube and end piece- something like what is shown in this photo.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by TomCarlos View Post
            Ok.... so if you had a cheapo stethoscope that ends up in a single channel, you can simply attach a metal tube and end piece- something like what is shown in this photo.
            Not sure if this type allows to firmly fix a coupling rod.
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            • #7
              That's the right one:

              https://www.amazon.de/Silverline-154...634801&sr=1-10
              Last edited by Helmholtz; 03-27-2019, 03:07 PM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Helmholtz View Post
                It turned out that the culprit was a film/foil polyester X2 capacitor.
                Really!?! I don't do repairs, so maybe it happens more than I might have thought. X2 caps are the most commonly used for noise suppression But this would (of course) mean the cap is taking the brunt of whatever anomaly is causing the noise. I suppose mechanical circumstances could happen in that case.
                "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

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                • #9
                  Mechanics use a stethoscope with a long metal rod that is held against engine components. No reason one couldn't be modified to be insulated or transplant some hard plastic onto it to avoid metal-to-zappy contact. But for mechanical issues (which is what I think this is about?) they're great. Just a thunk...

                  Link: https://m.harborfreight.com/mechanic....google.com%2F

                  Ummmmm... Does that link work? Sheesh... Anyway, goofle "mechanics stethoscope" & it'll get you the idea.

                  Jeez. Somebody sig those typos!
                  Justin
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Justin Thomas View Post
                    Mechanics use a stethoscope with a long metal rod that is held against engine components. No reason one couldn't be modified to be insulated or transplant some hard pladtic obto it to avoid metal-to-zappy contact. But for mechanical issues (which is what I think this is about?) they're great. Just a thunk...

                    Justin
                    The tip I got from a mechanic for locating car noises was to press a wooden dowel to any suspect areas on the motor or components and the other end to your ear. I've done it to locate cabinet vibration too and it worked well enough.
                    "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

                    "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

                    "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
                    You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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                    • #11
                      Really!?! I don't do repairs, so maybe it happens more than I might have thought. X2 caps are the most commonly used for noise suppression But this would (of course) mean the cap is taking the brunt of whatever anomaly is causing the noise.
                      Yep, that's why I mentioned it. Not one of the usual suspects like piezoelectric ceramics or inductors.
                      It had to handle high dV/dt. Actually a good quality metallized film/foil polyester X2 cap by a renowned company.

                      As we needed several 100k of them (per year), the manufacturer agreed to redesign the cap and eventually supplied us with a "noiseless" version.

                      (BTW, as X2 caps are safety rated components, allowed to be connected across mains phase and neutral, I strongly doubt that they are "supposed to fail short". Rather they are designed with self-healing properties and must be able to survive high spike voltages. )
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