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  • #16
    Is the tab pin 1 or pin 8? I have seen references to both. When looking at the bottom I am counting in a clock wise rotation?

    Assuming the tab is pin 1 and counting in a clockwise rotation looking at the bottom. I have seen the following resistance.

    Pin 1 has no connection to any other pin.

    pin 5 to 6: 1654 ohms
    pin 5 to 7: 4 M ohms
    pin 5 to 8: 3.8 M ohms
    pin 5 to 2: 1704 ohms

    pin 5 to 1: OL
    pin 5 to 3: OL
    pin 5 to 4: OL

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    • #17
      The tab is pin 8 and yes it's counted clock wise looking at the bottom.

      Edit:
      It could be an op-amp. Correcting the pin numbers 4 to 5 is -ve supply to an offset pin and 4 to 1 is -ve supply to the other offset pin.
      A 741 has 1k between -ve supply and its offset pins.
      Last edited by Dave H; 02-05-2021, 04:51 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dave H View Post
        The tab is pin 8 and yes it's counted clock wise looking at the bottom.
        In that case the readings are

        Pin 8 has no connection to any other pin.

        pin 4 to 5: 1654 ohms
        pin 4 to 6: 4 M ohms
        pin 4 to 7: 3.8 M ohms
        pin 4 to 1: 1704 ohms

        pin 4 to 8: OL
        pin 4 to 2: OL
        pin 4 to 3: OL

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        • #19
          Thanks, I was doing the conversion in my head for the edit above and got it wrong. I've corrected it now.

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          • #20
            So possible an op-amp like below? Any other tests I can do?

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            • #21
              Don't forget that the DCR readings with a semiconductor device depend on meter current and polarity.
              Maybe compare to a verified 741.

              But I doubt it's a simple 741 and if it's not there may be a hundred other possibilities.
              I wouldn't waste my time with this, even if I had many of them.
              - Own Opinions Only -

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              • #22
                A stash of OTAs might be valuable to some. But sleuthing what exactly you have there, even if you can focus in on the family of devices, will be quite time-consuming. Sometimes things like that sit in a bin for a few years until the puzzle pieces simply "drop into place".
                If it still won't get loud enough, it's probably broken. - Steve Conner
                If the thing works, stop fixing it. - Enzo
                We need more chaos in music, in art... I'm here to make it. - Justin Thomas
                MANY things in human experience can be easily differentiated, yet *impossible* to express as a measurement. - Juan Fahey

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                • #23
                  Whatever they are, they willl likely be obsolete and modern parts run rings around them. HOWEVER, by going through this exercise, you might learn something. learn some techniques, invent some procedures
                  Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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                  • #24
                    Yeah I have a lot of them and thought I would learn something in the process. At some point I would like to breadboard it and play around...

                    One clue I have is the lot originated from a ham radio guy

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                    • #25
                      If it's an op-amp I don't think it's a 741. I've just measured several old 741s and they all measure 1k from 4 to 1 and 4 to 5

                      You could try breadboarding this circuit - make a +/-9V supply with two 9V batteries. Connect pin 4 to -9V, pin 7 to +9V and pin 6 to pin 2. Connect a potentiometer between +9V and -9V and connect its wiper to pin 3. If the output voltage (pin 6) follows the voltage on the pot wiper it's an op-amp, if it smokes it's not.
                      Last edited by Dave H; 02-05-2021, 11:21 PM.

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                      • #26
                        FWIW my first successful amplifiers used TO5-8 case 741:
                        We are talking 1969-71
                        I had to use those because I used Tube amp style eyeletted boards; I could fit these by spreading legs, not possible with DIP plastic ones.
                        Juan Manuel Fahey

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Dave H View Post
                          You could try breadboarding this circuit
                          You need one of these jigs. I've never even taken it out of the package. I'd think getting the pins lined up could be a pain at times.

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                          I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                          • #28
                            Can you cut the top off and see what's inside.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by g1 View Post
                              You need one of these jigs. I've never even taken it out of the package. I'd think getting the pins lined up could be a pain at times.

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                              I have some copper clad breakout boards for transistors like that.
                              nosaj
                              soldering stuff that's broken, breaking stuff that works, Yeah!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Dave H View Post
                                If the output voltage (pin 6) follows the voltage on the pot wiper it's an op-amp, if it smokes it's not.
                                Heh, heh....

                                This isn't the future I signed up for.

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