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  • Originally posted by g1 View Post

    More a danger to the tubes V1 & V2. You need to find and deal with the problem. Can you get in close enough to the switch to post some pictures?
    Also, I think you still have the issue where the heater voltage on the preamp tubes is lower than it is on the power tubes. (5.6VAC vs 6.3V). It should be the same for all tubes.
    Photos of ultra lo switch

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    • Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

      Photos of ultra lo switch
      Is that one lug with no wire that's bent upward touching anything?

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      Originally posted by Enzo
      I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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      • Originally posted by g1 View Post

        Is that one lug with no wire that's bent upward touching anything?

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        No, not touching anything.

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        • Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
          R14(0.8 ohms), R15(0.8ohms), R202(0.55k), R203(6.25k). R14/R15(3.08k) switching ultra lo.
          R14(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C106 (6.8u)
          R15(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C112 (6.8u)
          Check that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered correctly (+ caps C106, C112)
          Measurements indicate that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered incorrectly (to gnd), or the caps C106, C112 is bad.

          Caps C106, C112 are located on the PCB below the ultra lo sw.
          R202(0.55k) OK,
          R203(6.25k) OK
          R14/R15(3.08k) switching ultra lo OK

          It's All Over Now

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          • Originally posted by vintagekiki View Post
            R14(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C106 (6.8u)
            R15(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C112 (6.8u)
            Check that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered correctly (+ caps C106, C112)
            Measurements indicate that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered incorrectly (to gnd), or the caps C106, C112 is bad.

            Caps C106, C112 are located on the PCB below the ultra lo sw.
            R202(0.55k) OK,
            R203(6.25k) OK
            R14/R15(3.08k) switching ultra lo OK
            Wires on ultra lo switch (4 on schematic), all show continuity. Will post measurements for c106/112 shortly. Have to lift one leg if each cap to measure correctly.

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            • Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
              Wires on ultra lo switch (4 on schematic), all show continuity. Will post measurements for c106/112 shortly. Have to lift one leg if each cap to measure correctly.
              Wires show continuity, check that are soldered where should (on schematic).
              Is the wire from ultra lo sw soldered to +caps point C106/R107 and point C112/R108, or soldered to -caps C106, C112 (gnd)
              It's All Over Now

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              • Please note that there's an error on the layout drawing for the polarity of C106 and C112. See red markings on this pic for corrections. The actual circuit board is probably marked correctly.

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                Originally posted by Enzo
                I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                • vintagekiki
                  vintagekiki commented
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                  Correction
                  mark C107 should be replaced with mark C112 .

              • Originally posted by vintagekiki View Post
                Wires show continuity, check that are soldered where should (on schematic).
                Is the wire from ultra lo sw soldered to +caps point C106/R107 and point C112/R108, or soldered to -caps C106, C112 (gnd)
                Wire from ultra low switch is soldered to + caps point C106/R107 and point C112/R108.

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                • Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                  Wire from ultra low switch is soldered to + caps point C106/R107 and point C112/R108.
                  Are those 2 wires pinched to the chassis anywhere? Can you post a picture of the switch pointing to where those 2 wires are connected?
                  Originally posted by Enzo
                  I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                  • Originally posted by vintagekiki View Post
                    R14(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C106 (6.8u)
                    R15(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C112 (6.8u)
                    Check that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered correctly (+ caps C106, C112)
                    Measurements indicate that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered incorrectly (to gnd), or the caps C106, C112 is bad.

                    Caps C106, C112 are located on the PCB below the ultra lo sw.
                    R202(0.55k) OK,
                    R203(6.25k) OK
                    R14/R15(3.08k) switching ultra lo OK
                    C106(0.208 nf), C112(0.198 nf), black probe to lifted leg - side, red probe to + solder joint on board, cap test on dmm.

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                    • Originally posted by vintagekiki View Post
                      R14(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C106 (6.8u)
                      R15(0.8 ohms) check (replace) C112 (6.8u)
                      Check that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered correctly (+ caps C106, C112)
                      Measurements indicate that the wire from ultra lo sw is soldered incorrectly (to gnd), or the caps C106, C112 is bad.

                      Caps C106, C112 are located on the PCB below the ultra lo sw.
                      R202(0.55k) OK,
                      R203(6.25k) OK
                      R14/R15(3.08k) switching ultra lo OK
                      R14/15 with C106/112 one leg lifted now read 3.3k in both positions of ultra lo switch.

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                      • Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                        R14/15 with C106/112 one leg lifted now read 3.3k in both positions of ultra lo switch.
                        Is it possible that these two(2) caps could be left out of circuit and amp operate correctly?

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                        • Originally posted by g1 View Post

                          Are those 2 wires pinched to the chassis anywhere? Can you post a picture of the switch pointing to where those 2 wires are connected?
                          They are not pinched to the chassis.

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                          • Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
                            Is it possible that these two(2) caps could be left out of circuit and amp operate correctly?
                            Values of C106 (0.208 nf), C112 (0.198 nf) indicate that these two (2) caps is bad. #341
                            The amplifier will work quite correctly without caps C106, C112, it will only have a shade less ultra lo.
                            If you do not have caps 6.8u, you are free to install caps 10u. Pay attention to caps polarity.
                            Just go ahead boldly. Soon V4B will be playing somewhere on stage.
                            It's All Over Now

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                            • Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                              R14/15 with C106/112 one leg lifted now read 3.3k in both positions of ultra lo switch.
                              Back at post #270 I advised you to disconnect C106, which you said you did and it did not make a difference. When you cut the leg in post #271, was it some other cap than C106? Did you reconnect it?


                              Originally posted by g1 View Post

                              Remove C106 and then re-check V1 pin 3 voltage.

                              Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                              Cut one(1) leg of C106, V1 pin#3(11mv).
                              Originally posted by Enzo
                              I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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