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  • BGW 350A Power Amp service

    Having finished the two BGW 750E Power Amps, I moved the BGW 350A Power Amp up to the bench, as the same owner indicated this amp didn't power up either. This amp was created after the next generation 750F/G amps were designed, prototyped and refined, then put into production. The 350A was a smaller version of the 750G (both having the LED Meter Display. Having done the circuit revisions to the power amp modules of the 750D/E modules for the fully complimentary GTA module, it having seven pairs of output xstrs, and did the PCB layout for that single-PCB layout, I used the basic front-end format in the packaging of the amp module for this amp. Four output pairs of xstrs in the layout, as this module was used in the SPA-3 signal processing power amp, also the TRIAMP Midrange module, and in this 350/350A, and 7500T, it came together quickly. By this time, we had already created the next generation Active input module for the 750F/G, so that was used in this amp as standard.

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    With the power amp modules removed, I connected the chassis to the power analyzer/variac, and brought it up slowly, watching the analyzer for any signs of fault current. The power supply was still loaded with the rear panel input module (powered off of the +/- 80V supplies, along with the front panel display module, powered from the 12VAC winding. Chassis was drawing 0.32A/22W @ 120VAC, which seemed a little high. I unplugged the display and the rear panel module, as well as the bridge rectifier/filter caps, leaving just the power xfmr connected. Now I could measure the excitation current, which was 0.28A/28.3W @ 120VAC. Still a bit on the high side, but, that transformer wasn't exactly an ideal form factor either. But, no issues found thus far.

    I checked the two amp modules for any shorts on the Sanken 2SC3858/2S1494 200W power xstrs. All were fine, as were the second stage current mirror stage and pre-drivers (all TO-126 devices along the middle top edge of the module). All checked ok there too, and both Triacs on the output were nominal, not shorted. I plugged the modules into the chassis, as I had designed the harness so there was enough length to lay the modules down outside of the chassis.

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    Bias was nominal, around 400mV across the driver stage emitter resistors, DC Output level about 1mV, both channels pass signal just fine, and drive a load just fine. Shown above using Burst Pink Noise to drive both channels in Dual Mono, load connected (8 Ohm), output level around 10V RMS in these images. I discharged the supplies, disconnected the modules and re-mounted them into the ends of the chassis, mounted with #10-32 socket cap screws in a similar fashion that had been done since the original 250 amp built in the mid-70's. Amp powered back up fully assembled just fine.

    I haven't done any critical measurements on the amp yet, but the basics all look nominal. Not sure what Jeff had found when he went to power it up. But, it did let me have a look at one of the amps I was part of the design team on.
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    Last edited by nevetslab; 08-05-2021, 10:23 PM.
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  • #2
    I finally got a reply on what problem Jeff was having with this Model 350A Power Amp. When it powers up, there being a delay-turn-on before the DC Control Voltage is applied to the xstr switch that enables the constant current source in the front end. Also on that circuit is the thermal switch (OOR) that this DC signal passes thru (Gold Contacts in the Elmwood Sensor Thermal Switch). He said the two channels never came out of the start-up Flashing mode. Normally it times out in less than 2 seconds. I never did see it NOT power up, but armed with that, I put the amp back up on the bench, removed the top cover. On the display PCB, there's the connections from the power xfmr's thermal switch (OOR), so I disconnected one of the terminals just to see that that was working. It was. Had to make those connections with the power off, supplies discharged since the power xfmr is so close, the bare Molex connectors contact the grounded xfmr while installing/removing those bare connectors.

    I removed the PCB assembly, and replaced C307 (47uF/10V with a 47uF/63V) and C303 1uF/25V Dip Tantalum. All is still working normal. Just had to sit and power it up and down repeatedly to see if it ever stops turning on and instead just stalls in the IDLE LED"s Blinking as he was experiencing. Just like a car.....misbehaves until you take it to the mechanic. Everything works there.

    Model-750-350display.PDF

    9600-7562 Model 350 Pwr Amp Schematic-1.pdf

    9008-0762 Balanced Input PCB Assy.pdf

    9600-3503_A.pdf

    7562_STUFF-1.pdf

    T0763_STUFF-1.PDF

    9600-T762S_A.PDF
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    Last edited by nevetslab; 08-10-2021, 11:21 PM.
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    • #3
      Hello,nevetslab I am a BGW-750G user, produced in 1991, the circuit conforms to the content of the 1988 version of the circuit diagram, BGW750G is a very good amplifier, excellent design, and stability.
      Glad to find the forum you posted about the information.
      Because it is a product eliminated by the Academy of Performing Arts, and I hope to use it as a home amplifier, I want to try to modify its voltage gain to 26db, so that it can be more suitable for home preamplifiers.

      According to the circuit diagram in 1988, can R120=47.5K/1% be adjusted to 40K, and the voltage gain can be changed to 26db. Does this affect the working stability of the amplifier? and will it affect performance?

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      • #4
        The quick answer is yes and yes, it will affect the stability due to changes in the overal negative feedback loop values.
        I would attenuate the front end instead of adjusting the overall gain of the amplifier, because if they have to use silly values of key components to get it to work properly, I hold no hope in securing a stable result changing component values.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by alkymai View Post
          Hello,nevetslab I am a BGW-750G user, produced in 1991, the circuit conforms to the content of the 1988 version of the circuit diagram, BGW750G is a very good amplifier, excellent design, and stability.
          Glad to find the forum you posted about the information.
          Because it is a product eliminated by the Academy of Performing Arts, and I hope to use it as a home amplifier, I want to try to modify its voltage gain to 26db, so that it can be more suitable for home preamplifiers.

          According to the circuit diagram in 1988, can R120=47.5K/1% be adjusted to 40K, and the voltage gain can be changed to 26db. Does this affect the working stability of the amplifier? and will it affect performance?
          Actually, leave the 47.5k feedback resistor as is, and change the shunt value R121 from1.54k to 2.49k.

          47.5k Feedback and 2.49k shunt is 26dB gain, while 47.5k and 1.54k is 30dB gain.

          I'll send you the schematics and PCB layout drawings when I get back to the shop shortly.
          Last edited by nevetslab; 07-01-2022, 11:07 PM.
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          • #6
            Here's the schematic for the 750F & G power amp circuit:

            9008-0760 Amp Schematic.pdf

            9008-0760 PCB Layout.pdf

            9008-0760 Amp Schematic.pdf

            Also the Display for the 750G & 350A:

            Model-750-350display.PDF

            Input PCB assy schematic:

            9008-0762 Balanced Input PCB Assy.pdf

            Attached Files
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            • #7
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              nevetslab

              thank you very much for your help. I will try.
              Also paired with some JBL speakers, the BGW750 is an excellent machine, thanks to the BGW designers.

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