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  • PLEASE don't bring me stand-alone Synthesizers!

    One of my clients has a small studio around the corner in the CenterStaging, LLC building where my shop is. In the past, he's brought me Neve Modules, API Modules and their 'lunchbox' mainframe that powers many other API-formated connector modules, old Telefunken preamps, Neve sidecar, that sort of thing. Saturday he brought over a Roland V-SYNTH-XT box that had a bad Volume pot. Triangular package if you look at it from the side, and it had that sort of packaging that suggested a multitude of PCB's, all high density LSI Surface Mount, thin film ribbons on 25mil pitch (or less), that plug into those tiny little connectors, some with release mechanisms, though everything on the micro-scale. I did my best to say no, but he had an interested party that wanted to buy this on Tuesday, and the volume 'pot' was intermittent and felt like a non-standard part that would be made by one of the major control mfgrs' but, a form factor that only companies like Roland can buy. Not a distributor part.

    I told him my gut feel, before lifting a screwdriver off the bench, that that control is placed like where the building architects place the boiler....in the basement, and to get at it, you have to dismantle all of the plumbing that the bean counters forced into the way, rather than having access to remove a major part when it fails. Sure enough, after I was left with this thing, and two trays full of screws and other fittings sequentially filled up the trays before getting to the ground floor where the control was....looked like an encoder...though could have been a 6-terminal side-by-side dual gang pot. Still, it wasn't built in a fashion that I could repair physically, and to get it out, lots more time would be required. This was an 'obtain the part', pull it completely apart, de-solder and remove the broken control and hope like hell you don't destroy the tiny solder pads and plate-thru holes in the process. I showed him, and suggested that Roland may well NOT sell that broken part, but instead have the corporate stance that 'You have to purchase the entire PCB that that broken part is mounted to'. I don't know. There is a Roland Artist Relations office across the street in our complex, so I suggested he stop by to speak with them.....though they'd no doubt just tell him to call Roland Service Center and go from there.

    After I showed him what he was facing, I put it all back together and handed it back to him, now an hour into the project.

    I didn't come in yesterday, having succeeded in getting that last BGW amp working.

    He stopped by just a little while ago, to tell me since I gave it back to him, it's no longer working. DOUUUHHHOOO! A kajillion tiny ribbon cables connecting all the small boards together....I was sure I had plugged everything back in, but, obviously must have missed something. I opened the rear cover (four screws, access into the top level boards.....there were two ribbons that moved when I pushed on them with my fingers, and there were the tiny female mating connectors on the top surface of the board, ribbons sitting below the board, but spring-tension having them look like they're connected. I plugged one in, then the other one in. Set it back down onto the bench, plugged in power, turned it on, spun it around and fumbled with the switches until I got sound out of it thru the headphones. Only one side worked. But, messed with the volume control, which did its' pot kinda broken' routine, and got both channels again. Worked. Did everything work? Dunno. Put the cover back on, took it back to him (outside door locked again, pounded on the door, and he did come and answer it this time). He plugged it in, waited for it to upload its' programs, hit preview, and gave a thumbs up sign.

    Whew!

    I said....as I told you....I DON"T work on Synthesizers! I'm NOT a digital guy, and these things aren't made for service...they're made for manufacturing.
    Last edited by nevetslab; 08-10-2021, 12:21 AM.
    Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence

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    Would you take a pipe organ?
    Juan Manuel Fahey

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    • #3
      Pipe organ? That would be great, or swell.

      I haven't worked on any since the tiny parts took over, but I used to enjoy synths...except MOOG. The old analog Oberhiems or Sequentials were fun to troubleshoot. I thought I was pretty good on a DX7. Poly6? Sure.
      Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Enzo View Post
        Pipe organ? That would be great, or swell.
        Probably both
        If it still won't get loud enough, it's probably broken. - Steve Conner
        If the thing works, stop fixing it. - Enzo
        We need more chaos in music, in art... I'm here to make it. - Justin Thomas
        MANY things in human experience can be easily differentiated, yet *impossible* to express as a measurement. - Juan Fahey

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        • #5
          Originally posted by J M Fahey View Post
          Would you take a pipe organ?
          Sure thing! Just truck it in & set 'er up in the barn. I would work on those things midnight to 6 AM, entertain the neighbors with the occasional sound check.

          But seriously folks, I gotta have some respect for those who do work on pipe organs. Very difficult work there, with seldom a transistor to be encountered.
          This isn't the future I signed up for.

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          • #6
            Music store I once worked for sold organs to churches. Big Allen organ set-ups. We competed against - in some cases - pipe organs. Pipe organs have a great sound, no doubt, but the electronic organ can sound pretty darn good on "pipes" settings as well as make a ton of other sounds. Pipe organs had several caveats. One was the metal pipes, temperature caused them to expand or contract, which affected their tuning. SO if you left the heat off in your church all week, and came in Sunday morning and flipped it on, you would not be in tune. Taks time for cold pipes to warm up, gotta heat the place all week.
            Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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            • #7
              Mind-blowing to think on how those who built these beautiful pipe organs hundreds of years ago had figured all this out. Prototyping a pipe organ? Whew!
              Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence

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              • #8
                Prototyping is a luxury.

                I bet closest is building a few pipes, in different lenghts and diameters, take a few mesurements and then straight building the realone,not intermediate steps.

                Doubly so because everything was hand made.

                ONE big advantage of the medieval Guild system was that "knowledge was not lost when an individual died" , but somewhat kept inside the Guild and followed upon by traied assistants.

                No Universities back then, or to be more precise, they focused on Theology, Morals, Philosophy, etc. so time tested way to learn a trade was to be apprentice at some established Shop, who in dueturn had learnt from another, and so on.

                If you ask me, a bulletproof state of the art system.

                So a Pipe Organ builder in the 1800´s or maybe early 1900´s was actually using 300 to 500 years of accumulated practical experience.

                Nowadays?
                You can go to an University and learn about Acoustics (every Acoustics Book, definitely Olson´s or Beranek´s speaks about resonance in pipes, among other things) , metallurgics,etc. which is fine, nothing against of course, and in the last years certainly somebody wrote the"Pipe Organ simulation App", again fine as a tool, but ¨*all* are missing that old accumulated practical advice.

                Well, some of it must have leaked into Theory, definitely not all of it.

                Not everything is in Books, and even less on the Net, by degrees of magnitude.

                Juan Manuel Fahey

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                • #9
                  50 years ago here in town we had a pizza joint that featured "The Mighty Wurlitzer Theater Organ." When the show started, the console rose up from the floor from the basement, with a guy playing. Mighty indeed, it was fed by a 750 horse power motor you could see through a window.
                  Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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                  • #10
                    I've long been fascinated by pipe organs, particularly the 'tracker action' ones that have no electromechanical parts at all (except for the blower motor...no more serfs in the basement pumping bellows! ) I attended a demo once where the organist popped out a couple of keys, which actually were long wooden levers that reached back to the pipe valves. Imagine not just getting that idea working, but also making it playable.

                    Modern 'electron-ified' pipe organs have all digital keyboards, and store the presets and whatnot on USB sticks or SD cards.
                    I imagine they're also nightmarish to work on, what with all the stops switches moving on command.

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