While I'm nearly finished restoring this 45 year old Lombardi 8-Ch Input Mic Mixer, it having a Binson Echorec Magnetic Disc Delay System built in, I've discovered the source of the total lack of LF response on Ch 4, which was found prior to my pulling all the modules out to replace the 45 year old Ducati Electrolytic Capacitors throughout the mixer.
When I had the mic preamps removed, which was where I thought I'd find the problem, all eight preamps measured the same. When I finally re-installed them, I again found this lack of LF response on Ch 4. Clipping my Fluke 8060A DMM in RMS dB mode across the secondary of the input xfmr, and swept the response, I found it was the transformer itself having this fault.
The first item I found with regards to the transformers was this HF boost added in the preamp, but never found any de-emphasis network in any of the modules. I had been measuring near flat frequency response on the output. But after looking at the response of the input transformer in the HF range, I also found the transformers have a serious HF rolloff.
I just got collecting data on the Ch 4 input xfmr, as well as one of the other typical input xfmrs for comparison. Ch 4's HF response is also vastly different than the others. Mechanically, it looks the same, but measures way differently. I measured the input impedance of the xfmrs, using a 2 ohm source impedance, passing thru an ESI decade resistance box, with a Fluke DMM in AC RMS mode, dB mode, REL mode, and at each spot frequency, adjusted the output for -6dB, which would occur at the input impedance of the load....load being the input xfmr + the secondary load, which is more than 2 decades higher in resistance than the input impedance, so negligible.
What would account for this severe loss of LF response on Ch 4's Mic Input xfmr? I wondered if, due to the low overall system gain between mic input and mixer output being only 38dB, and plugging a typical dynamic mic into the mixer, such as a Shure SM57, I barely got any meter movement on the VU meter. I had to resort to plugging in a Symetrix SX-202 Mic Preamp ahead of the mixer, so I could give a listen with a typical condenser mic (SX-202 having Phantom Power). Could this mic xfmr have been severely overloaded by a similar set-up, and the problem not found right away, finally having such input level do damage to the transformer?
The lack of HF response on all of the transformers also is puzzling. I can't see any rational reason for selecting an input transformer for a professional mixer to have severe HF rolloff, unless that was a production mistake from the transformer mfgr, and the production fix was adding a HF shelving boost across the emitter resistors of Q1 input xfmr (C4 20nF across R7 2.2k + R6 47ohms).
I've attached the measurement data recorded today below:
LOMBARDI MIC #4 INPUT TRANSFORMER DATA.pdf
LOMBARDI MIC INPUT TRANSFORMER DATA.pdf
Lombardi Mic Preamp Schematic-3A.pdf
When I had the mic preamps removed, which was where I thought I'd find the problem, all eight preamps measured the same. When I finally re-installed them, I again found this lack of LF response on Ch 4. Clipping my Fluke 8060A DMM in RMS dB mode across the secondary of the input xfmr, and swept the response, I found it was the transformer itself having this fault.
The first item I found with regards to the transformers was this HF boost added in the preamp, but never found any de-emphasis network in any of the modules. I had been measuring near flat frequency response on the output. But after looking at the response of the input transformer in the HF range, I also found the transformers have a serious HF rolloff.
I just got collecting data on the Ch 4 input xfmr, as well as one of the other typical input xfmrs for comparison. Ch 4's HF response is also vastly different than the others. Mechanically, it looks the same, but measures way differently. I measured the input impedance of the xfmrs, using a 2 ohm source impedance, passing thru an ESI decade resistance box, with a Fluke DMM in AC RMS mode, dB mode, REL mode, and at each spot frequency, adjusted the output for -6dB, which would occur at the input impedance of the load....load being the input xfmr + the secondary load, which is more than 2 decades higher in resistance than the input impedance, so negligible.
What would account for this severe loss of LF response on Ch 4's Mic Input xfmr? I wondered if, due to the low overall system gain between mic input and mixer output being only 38dB, and plugging a typical dynamic mic into the mixer, such as a Shure SM57, I barely got any meter movement on the VU meter. I had to resort to plugging in a Symetrix SX-202 Mic Preamp ahead of the mixer, so I could give a listen with a typical condenser mic (SX-202 having Phantom Power). Could this mic xfmr have been severely overloaded by a similar set-up, and the problem not found right away, finally having such input level do damage to the transformer?
The lack of HF response on all of the transformers also is puzzling. I can't see any rational reason for selecting an input transformer for a professional mixer to have severe HF rolloff, unless that was a production mistake from the transformer mfgr, and the production fix was adding a HF shelving boost across the emitter resistors of Q1 input xfmr (C4 20nF across R7 2.2k + R6 47ohms).
I've attached the measurement data recorded today below:
LOMBARDI MIC #4 INPUT TRANSFORMER DATA.pdf
LOMBARDI MIC INPUT TRANSFORMER DATA.pdf
Lombardi Mic Preamp Schematic-3A.pdf
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