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  • 90s Marshall JCM900 4100 Bias

    Need info on how to bias jcm900 4100

  • #2
    The schematic says to set bias voltage to -50V, but I'd actually measure current and do it right.

    https://robrobinette.com/Tube_Bias_Calculator.htm

    "I took a photo of my ohm meter... It didn't help." Enzo 8/20/22

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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Dude View Post
      The schematic says to set bias voltage to -50V, but I'd actually measure current and do it right.

      https://robrobinette.com/Tube_Bias_Calculator.htm
      Only trim pot I see is a vr2 on board pc0112

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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Dude View Post
        The schematic says to set bias voltage to -50V, but I'd actually measure current and do it right.

        https://robrobinette.com/Tube_Bias_Calculator.htm
        Getting 49/47/49/45mA@500vdc. Is VR2 the bias adjustment for all four(4) power tubes?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

          Getting 49/47/49/45mA@500vdc. Is VR2 the bias adjustment for all four(4) power tubes?
          These are 5881 power tubes.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

            Getting 49/47/49/45mA@500vdc. Is VR2 the bias adjustment for all four(4) power tubes?
            Yes.
            VR2 sets the negative voltage for all 4 tubes.
            Last edited by Jazz P Bass; 02-11-2022, 03:11 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

              These are 5881 power tubes.
              When down to 30mA, now 510vdc. Is 510vdc safe with these caps rated at 500?

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              • #8
                When 5881s are fitted, similar but not the same as a 6L6, set the bias to -42volts. For EL34s, set bias to -50volts.
                For 6L6GC the bias will be between those values or may even be as low as -38volts, depending on manufacturer.
                I always fit Winged "C", Svetlana output valves, for reliability.
                The HT should not exceed 500volts. If it does, why. Click image for larger version  Name:	Screenshot 2022-02-11 at 08.26.29.png Views:	0 Size:	42.9 KB ID:	952292

                Read the service manual!
                Last edited by Jon Snell; 02-11-2022, 07:31 AM. Reason: More info added ...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jon Snell View Post
                  When 5881s are fitted, similar but not the same as a 6L6, set the bias to -42volts. For EL34s, set bias to -50volts.
                  For 6L6GC the bias will be between those values or may even be as low as -38volts, depending on manufacturer.
                  I always fit Winged "C", Svetlana output valves, for reliability.
                  The HT should not exceed 500volts. If it does, why. Click image for larger version Name:	Screenshot 2022-02-11 at 08.26.29.png Views:	0 Size:	42.9 KB ID:	952292

                  Read the service manual!
                  To get to 500v HT, I had to set at -25v @ vr2. 26mA w/bias adapter. These are 6L6s and the highest reading I could get at vr2 was -34v/515v HT

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                    Getting 49/47/49/45mA@500vdc. Is VR2 the bias adjustment for all four(4) power tubes?
                    26/22/24/20mA 503vdc@bias adapter. Moved tubes around, since readings are following tubes, what order would be best for balance of tube strength, 1-3/2-4, or 1-4/2-3? Thanks.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                      26/22/24/20mA 503vdc@bias adapter. Moved tubes around, since readings are following tubes, what order would be best for balance of tube strength, 1-3/2-4, or 1-4/2-3? Thanks.
                      Also, should I get to 500v at bias adapter or is 503 @bias adapter ok as long as I've got 500v HT from vr2 adjustment? Thanks.

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                      • #12
                        What is the AC voltage across the high voltage winding that feeds the first smoothing capacitor. It should be 340v A/C, if bridge diode configuaration..
                        If it is too high, what is the mains input voltage and is it set to the correct primary tapping.
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                        • #13
                          Your readings don't make sense at all. Check the battery in your meter.
                          Higher idle current (mA) numbers at the bias probe should result in lower HT voltage at the plates. And a more negative number at the grids should reduce the idle current (mA).

                          Also, you can't measure the bias voltage at the VR2 trimmer, you need to measure at the junction of the 150K's, R26 and R27.
                          Originally posted by Enzo
                          I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by g1 View Post
                            Your readings don't make sense at all. Check the battery in your meter.
                            Higher idle current (mA) numbers at the bias probe should result in lower HT voltage at the plates. And a more negative number at the grids should reduce the idle current (mA).

                            Also, you can't measure the bias voltage at the VR2 trimmer, you need to measure at the junction of the 150K's, R26 and R27.
                            R26/27(-60vdc)

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                            • #15
                              That sounds better and should be the most max. negative that should be needed.
                              When you measure that -60V, what is the plate voltage at the power tubes? And what kind of readings for current at the bias probes?

                              The reason I had mentioned the discrepancy before, when you had idle currents in the 45 to 50mA range, you said the plate voltage was about 500V.
                              Then later with idle currents at 30mA you said plate voltage was 510V.
                              Then with even lower idle currents, 20 to 26mA, you said the plate voltage went down again, to 503V.

                              Make sure your meter battery is good. Set bias to -50VDC at R26/27 junction. What are the idle currents and plate voltages from the bias probe?
                              Originally posted by Enzo
                              I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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