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  • VHT Pitbull 45 Cuts Out

    When playing at gig volume level and on the b/e strings above 12th fret, amp seems to increase distortion and intermittently cuts out. Cleaned all Jack's and noticed that the base of power tubes(EL84s) are running at 450+° F(infared thermometer), with no signal applied. One is 470+°F..

  • #2
    Check the AC ripple on the filter caps. Check all solder joints. Does it start playing again after it sits for a while? If so that could be indicative of a bad solder joint breaking connection when warmed up then connecting when cold.
    nosaj
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    • #3
      I would firstly check the bias as they do seem a little on the warm side. 230+°C is hotter than I would like. It could be swamping the output transformer or draining too much power from the main HT supply.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jon Snell View Post
        It could be swamping the output transformer or draining too much power from the main HT supply.
        I was wondering if the amp might be breaking into oscillation as it seems triggered by high notes. If so, the oscillation could also be making the tubes run hot while producing no audio.

        Originally posted by Enzo
        I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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        • #5
          Originally posted by nosaj View Post
          Check the AC ripple on the filter caps. Check all solder joints. Does it start playing again after it sits for a while? If so that could be indicative of a bad solder joint breaking connection when warmed up then connecting when cold.
          nosaj
          Would you give me the procedure for checking the ac ripple on the filter caps? Soldered all tube socket pins. It was cutting out momentarily, it was getting a heavily distorted signal only when played on high B &E above the 12th fret at high volume level.
          Last edited by ca7922303; 12-22-2022, 12:47 AM.

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          • #6
            To check ripple on the filter caps, you measure the AC volts across the cap terminals. It should be quite low. Also check that the DC volts on the cap are correct.
            For a rough number, I would say AC volts ripple at idle should be less than 5% of the DC on the cap. Solid state amps have quite a bit less ripple than tube amps as they use much higher value caps for filtering.
            Originally posted by Enzo
            I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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            • #7
              Originally posted by g1 View Post
              To check ripple on the filter caps, you measure the AC volts across the cap terminals. It should be quite low. Also check that the DC volts on the cap are correct.
              For a rough number, I would say AC volts ripple at idle should be less than 5% of the DC on the cap. Solid state amps have quite a bit less ripple than tube amps as they use much higher value caps for filtering.
              Filter caps are (457vdc) w/no tubes and from (0.06-117vac) measured across, also w/no tubes.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
                (0.06-117vac) measured across, also w/no tubes.
                Do you mean 117vac there or is there a decimal point missing? 117vac across a filter cap would not be good.

                Originally posted by Enzo
                I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                • #9
                  AC across filter caps reading is cycling from (0.06 to 117vac). I'm getting (1.57, 3.06, 0.25, 3.33, 3.19, 3.85, 3.95, 0.06, 117vac). I'm Pushing hold button to get readings.

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                  • #10
                    Pushing hold button on & off to get readings.

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                    • #11
                      Sometimes the meter may read high while trying to autorange before the reading settles. Or maybe you are taking a reading during power up, or coming out of standby?
                      Try taking the AC reading without the hold function. Give it a couple seconds to settle.
                      Originally posted by Enzo
                      I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                      • #12
                        What kind of meter are you using?
                        nosaj
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by g1 View Post
                          Sometimes the meter may read high while trying to autorange before the reading settles. Or maybe you are taking a reading during power up, or coming out of standby?
                          Try taking the AC reading without the hold function. Give it a couple seconds to settle.
                          It doesn't settle, it keeps cycling.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nosaj View Post
                            What kind of meter are you using?
                            nosaj
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                            • #15
                              Take it off autorange an you should get a better measurement.
                              nosaj
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