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    I replaced shorted output transistors and supporting resistors (marked in yellow), but there's still an issue. The +HV side is drawing current, as you can see by my voltage survey, and R23 gets very hot (dropping 48v). All of the transistors pass the test for shorts. Components marked in green measure OK. What can I test next to find the malfunction?

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    Last edited by xtian; 02-20-2024, 05:13 PM.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by xtian View Post
    The +HV side is drawing current, as you can see by my voltage survey
    Not sure what you mean by this.
    Is the 0.25V at Q3/Q4 collector a typo? Q4 is shorted?
    Originally posted by Enzo
    I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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    • #3
      Originally posted by g1 View Post
      Not sure what you mean by this.
      Is the 0.25V at Q3/Q4 collector a typo? Q4 is shorted?
      Not a typo. The -ve rail looks OK at -56v. But the +ve rail is only 0.25v, meaning something is shorting that voltage to ground. I'm trying to figure a strategty for finding the fault.
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      • #4
        Why doesn't this blow the fuse?
        Q3 might be shorted.
        Please post the schematic of the power supply.
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        • #5
          If Q3 is good, see Q5, Q8 and the whole circuit along this line to -HV. R38, R39, R39A
          Last edited by x-pro; 02-20-2024, 07:30 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Helmholtz View Post
            Why doesn't this blow the fuse?
            Q3 might be shorted.
            Please post the schematic of the power supply.
            Power supply circuit at the top of the schematic
            F1 or in the field of power supply?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by x-pro View Post
              Power supply circuit at the top of the schematic
              F1 or in the field of power supply?
              Where is F1?
              Missing the schematic part with the mains input and PT.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Helmholtz View Post

                Where is F1?
                Missing the schematic part with the mains input and PT.
                F1 on the output.
                With this bridge design, the low pass diodes and filter at 6800*63 are 2pcs. there is probably a simple 60Hz transformer in there.
                Especially since the bridge diodes are not shunted by RC circuits.

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                • #9
                  Power supply is shown at upper left of first schematic. Here's another:

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by x-pro View Post

                    F1 on the output.
                    With this bridge design, the low pass diodes and filter at 6800*63 are 2pcs. there is probably a simple 60Hz transformer in there.
                    Especially since the bridge diodes are not shunted by RC circuits.
                    Oh I see.
                    But I was looking for fuses either in the power supply or at the mains input.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Helmholtz View Post
                      Why doesn't this blow the fuse?
                      Q3 might be shorted.
                      Q3 base to emitter shows 820R. Fault?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by xtian View Post
                        Power supply is shown at upper left of first schematic. Here's another:

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                        Now here's another "F1".
                        Did you have a load connected when measuring voltages?
                        Did you use a bulb limiter?
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                        • #13
                          No load connected. I stopped using my bulb limiter after observing no runaway. Device is drawing 10-12 watts from wall.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by xtian View Post
                            Q3 base to emitter shows 820R.
                            What mode on the tester did you measure in? May be 820mV ?

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                            • #15
                              OK, please rest your brains, and thank you for the help. I know I'm doing something boneheaded, here, so give me time to work it out.
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