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Custom 6V6 amp built in late 50's, want to do Guitar amp conversion...NEED HELP!!!

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  • Custom 6V6 amp built in late 50's, want to do Guitar amp conversion...NEED HELP!!!

    OK, here's the story...

    Was at a party at my wife's uncles house. We got to talking about tube amps. He brings me to his shed out back to show me a custom amp he made. He couldn't remember when he built it, or find a schamatic on it...then gives it to me. The size of the tranny's alone was making my mouth water! Due to the Bumblebee caps, and the tube dates, it looks to be around '58 to '60 when he made it. He claims that it was his original design (the guy is a retired EE the worked at Argonne national labs...so this may be truth).

    It has a single 12ax7, twin 6V6's, 5v4ga. I have restored a few guitar amps from schematics and such...but this is a little over my head. When I first got it, I wired in a 1/4" jack and hooked it to the P12R in my Princeton reverb cabinet...it's a very quiet amp, with very low gain. I hooked a EHX Big Muff before it and cranked it up...sounded great. Slide guitar in this tune was done with it:
    SoundClick artist: Ron Vogel - One man band (slide comes in at 1:38)

    I want to make this into a guitar amp now, and build a cab for it. I want to utilize the exsisting 12ax7 as the first gain stage, add in a volume control. Then add a second gain stage/tone stack with the schematic included below. I spent all morning drawing out the wiring and trying to decipher the circuit. I also looked at a ton of schematics online to try and find something similar he may have based this on, but can't. I can't tell if this is a spud or a push-pull (he alluded it it being a push-pull).

    Any help would be appreciated. I may just go ahead and replace several caps for good measure, although the amp works very well, and is very quiet. He also had a connector for a seperate preamp input that I will not be using.
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  • #2
    You can't really use the exsisting 12AX7 as a gain stage because it's being used as the phase inverter. Your best option is to build a preamp on a separate chassis and plug it into the octal socket next to the speaker terminal strip. You should be able to get B+ and heater voltages from there. One or two 12AX7s will give you all the preamp you need.
    WARNING! Musical Instrument amplifiers contain lethal voltages and can retain them even when unplugged. Refer service to qualified personnel.
    REMEMBER: Everybody knows that smokin' ain't allowed in school !

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    • #3
      That is indeed a push-pull amp. The first "half" of the 12ax7a is a gain stage, which seems to be DC coupled to a cathodyne phase inverter. There seem to be a few errors in the wiring diagram but I didn't spend hours looking at it.

      Why do you want to add that eq stage? I would suggest sticking to a conventional fender/ marshall style tone stack unless you have a particularly unique design goal/tone you're looking for. You could pretty much copy any standard blackface fender circuit... first half of a 12ax7a as a voltage amp (100k plate resistor, 1.5K cathode resistor) into a normal BF tone stack, volume control, and another 1/2 of the added 12ax7 with the same values as the first half after that. Capacitor couple that (perhaps with a .01 uF cap) into what is now the input of the present amp, increase that 27K resistor to 1 meg ohm and you'll probably be ready to go.

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      • #4
        Oh, and this is an additional 12ax7a I'm talking about adding. If you can't find a place for it on the chassis, you'll have to follow loudthud's suggestion and add a little preamp box.

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        • #5
          I can fit another 12ax7 in there...wont be pretty and symetrical like the exsisting layout, but it'll fit. Yeah, I was scratching my head with some of the values in there...but I've mostly been tinkering with guitar amps which are similar.

          I'd like to use a Fender style tone stack...I just grabbed that schematic off of Weber's site for reference.

          I plan on building a cabinet around it, and hiding the amp behind a nice faceplate.

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          • #6
            Or you could use a solid state rectifier and use the left over octal socket with a great tube like the 6SN7 or 6SL7.

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            • #7
              It looks like this is configured ultralinear style too... the screen grids of the output tubes go to the output transformer. Not everyone cares for the sound of UL configured amps for guitar... but some well regarded Dr. Z amps use it. I'd consider converting it to a more standard configuration. Probably the best tactic would be to build the preamp, see how you like the sound and if you think there's room for improvement, start fiddling with the power amp.

              @ greekie- one potential problem I can think of with converting to an SS rectifier and using the existing octal socket for a preamp tube is that the socket is probably really close to the power transformer. I think it'd be a hum fest unless you got pretty clever with shielding.

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              • #8
                Well, I think the only reason I'd need to go to an SS recto is if the amp had a lot of sag...and I'm guessing that won't be a problem with the size of the tranny vs the total output of the amp...it's meaty.

                Is there a easy way to change it from being ultralinear? I'm not even sure what UL is.

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                • #9
                  Just read up on UL, and it sounds fine for what I need. They used it in several late Fender amps too.

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                  • #10
                    You guys might be right about the not-so-great placement of that preamp tube with regards to the power transformer. It's just such a neat little amp!

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                    • #11
                      Just finished the extension cab for it, here a few pics of my progress so far:
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