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  • SE P-P amp in one cabnet.

    Had a oddball kind of idea and I wonder if you all would humor me a little over it. I wanted to build a couple of low wattage amps for practicing or recording and thought I could kill two birds with one stone if I put both amps in one cabinet. One speaker, one power transformer, one reverb, two output transformers and a couple extra parts. So I came up with this arrangement and hope it is a workable solution, but I need some sober second thought.

    As it is a cheap build I have a few limitations, the 12v heater is limited in current being one of them. I need to have the SE amp running or the P-P amp running, I can not feed both sets of heaters at the same time. I have two output transformers supplying one speaker so obviously I need to switch between them. In no case do I want the high voltage on the output transformer without the speaker switched in so I am switching the speaker and the high voltage along with the heaters at the same time with a three pole two position switch.



    The first stage of the amp is a MOSFET that is on for both amp types. This feeds a Fender style tone network which has a switch to reduce the mid cut or open the path to ground effectively taking the circuit out. Next is a volume control feeding gain stages for either amp type.

    The first question that comes to mind is will there be any interaction on the input or the output when one tube is powered and the other is not. I can see a minimal amount of capacitance but not much else. (the pentodes in the schematic have no screen components to keep the schematic simpler. Also the reverb section is just roughed in, not concerned with it right now.)

    Next comes a Tweed style volume/tone stage. This feeds a reverb circuit and the SE output tube and the cathodyne splitter for the P-P output tubes. Again I do not know if the tubes that are not powered will cause the powered tubes any grief. I am guessing not otherwise I would not be considering it. So I throw it out to brighter minds than my own. Can you see anything wrong with the concept?

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    The fav scheme for PP-SE switching these days is shorting the grid of one side of a PP pair so in effect you end up with one operating output tube, and SE-mode. It is not an exact replica of a true SE amp, but probably close enuff. Saves u a third tube, a second OT, and all related parts.

    When a tube is unpowered it is acting like an open switch, and should have no effect on other functions in the circuit.

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    • #3
      I'm with Redelephant, I'd go with a P-P amp, switchable to SE operation (2 power tubes, 1x OT, 1x speaker, especially if cost is an issue)...or still with the same no.of power tubes you could build a PP amp, feeding a pair of SE OTs each with their own speaker...it's not really P-P but if you're not looking for power/volume, then probably not an issue.

      ...in fact I have been wondering lately how hard it would be to run stereo SE from one output tube...theoretically easy as falling off a log...

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      • #4
        Not really a problem with cost just that I am doing it low cost just for the heck of it. Could do the P-P transformer-single end thing but that is not the point. I have two different amps I want to build and already have the parts for them. The SE amp uses a 12T10 compactron, the two pentodes on the bottom in one tube producing 4W. The P-P will be using 12AQ5's hopefully making 8W. Not sure if I want to use the transformer to cut the voltage in half (run the primary connected for 240v while on 120v) for lower power or to use a VVR. Just got my power transformer today so time to start building.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MWJB View Post
          I'm with Redelephant, I'd go with a P-P amp, switchable to SE operation (2 power tubes, 1x OT, 1x speaker, especially if cost is an issue)...or still with the same no.of power tubes you could build a PP amp, feeding a pair of SE OTs each with their own speaker...it's not really P-P but if you're not looking for power/volume, then probably not an issue.
          This is the way I do it.. But I use combination bias to do the switch from class A to class A/B on the power tubes..

          -g
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