Old presence circuits vs new standards vs alternatives

[Roberto]

Exactly g1, that's the "funny" source I'ìve used.
As I wrote, the situation is becoming funny, so the source has to be similar.

[Roberto]

Eschertron, I'm sure that if you are eager to see industry data, you can search it and report here.
Of course limited to this specific area of the market.

[eschertron]

The graph depicts total number of orders on reverb.com exclusively.
https://reverb.com/ca/news/the-best-...g-amps-of-2016

Exactly g1, that's the "funny" source I'ìve used.
As I wrote, the situation is becoming funny, so the source has to be similar.

Thank you, G-one, for answering the question that Roberto would not.

Eschertron, I'm sure that if you are eager to see industry data, you can search it and report here.
Of course limited to this specific area of the market.

Geez louise, ask a simple question.

[Gregg]

Guys, stop trolling ans answer to the question: how many guitar amps use antilog and how many linear pots for the presence?

We already answered that question to your satisfaction - more amps have linear pots. So what? What's the point of this argument?

Concerning the pie graphic it's obvious even from space that it's completely irrelevant. Peavey has only 50% bigger share than DrZ... LOL

[Enzo]

Roberto, clearly you just want to be contrary, so I will say this and leave. All I asked was where the pie chart came from. I was not asking about sims or waveforms or or anything else, just simply wanted to know where the pie chart came from. Now that may be beneath you, but it was a simple question, and has no negative connotations as concerns you.

g1 was kind enough to answer the question.

As to trolling, I don't care what you do, but culling through a lot of posts and even bringing in snips from other threads just to set up your repeated ad hominem remarks, is classic internet trolling, so don't point at me.

Have yourself a nice day.

[pdf64]

...In the 5150/6505 series the pots are labeled as 10k audio but maybe this is a mistake because a log pot would have even worse response than a linear one...

My finding is that with a regular Fender BF tone stack, the 10k mid control works better with a linear taper than log/audio, in terms of the range of control being more evenly spread around the knob's rotation. But there are an awful lot of these amps out there (and counting) which have an audio taper for that control.
So it may be that having 'the expected' response is more important than whether, in strict UI functionality terms, it's better or worse than alternatives.

[Chuck H]

Roberto, you seem like a smart guy. Can you tell me what mechanism in your psyche causes you to become instantly contrary to all other posts unless definitively backed by a reputable link or attachment. Yet you provide only results with no diagrams or schematics and reference only a small demographic to back your own statements and then become offended when doubted.

I do admire smart people. Sometimes more so from afar. I think you should return to slocloneforums.

[The Dude]

So, we're expected to use a pie chart from one site that sells used amps to document market share for current production amps?

That more or less proves the validity of Enzo's question, doesn't it?

[nosaj]

If you are going to using the internet for any reasonable amount of time you will eventually encounter some trolls. There are people all over the internet who have nothing better to do than incite reactions from other people.
The most important thing to understand about trolls is their mentality. They desperately want attention. If they were comfortable in their own skin they would have no need to bother others.

Trolls often have deficiencies of their own. That is why they love to pick on other people. They want to feel better about their own deficiencies or weaknesses. A troll will never admit that. In fact the tougher a troll acts is always a surety that they are an extremely fragile person.

There are really only two good ways to deal with trolls: Killing them with kindness or ignoring completely. There should be no in between because that is where trolls thrive. They love it when they have your attention and you are thrown off from your awesomeness.

You may think its a bad idea to kill them with kindness but don’t forget what we said earlier – trolls often dislike themselves so they need to bring others down to their level.

Trolling is always an egoistic act. A human soul would never troll another. It is the EGO created within the human mind that begins the process of bringing others down.

So killing them with kindness is a way to pierce the ego and reach their soul. This can be extremely difficult and not recommended for everyone.

If you have not begun to understand your own ego then this will be difficult. Because trolls try to get your ego all riled up. They want you to feel angry or insecure or nervous. But if you are supremely confident in your own skin then you can easily battle a troll with kindness because the words they use are meaningless to you.

They could be so mean and rude and it wouldn’t even bother you because you understand how a troll works. They are nothing to be feared. They are just words on a screen that have no bearing on your true self.

Of course, if you aren’t comfortable with your own self, and you also have a big ego to defend, then their words will hurt. You will wonder if they are true? Are you really ugly? Are you really pathetic? Of course not, but the words will hurt because you start to believe them.

This is the very high-level way of dealing with trolls. It’s a skill to be learned.

To recap, you must be comfortable in your own skin before you can battle a troll head on.

If you prefer the less confrontational method then lets talk about how to just ignore trolls and move on quickly. I do recommend this method for the majority.

Trolls feed on the attention of others and more so their increasing emotional energy if that makes sense.

The most simple way to deal with trolls is 100% ignoring them. Even 1% can make them grow stronger.

The faster you can ignore and leave it behind the better.

[J M Fahey]

Fuck off Roberto and take your cheesy simulations with you, who needs them?

Typical armchair "designer" stuff.

So you think you "discovered" something "nobody else even imagined?"

Don´t waste time with us mere mortals, ***WRITE!!!!!!*** Marshall, Fender and Dr Z and tell them of their wrong ways .

Oh, don´t forget Peavey , their Marketing dept. definitely needs some help, they are lost without you.

Here, I have a spare soap box for you to step on, and a tin horn, so your voice carries farther.

[Chuck H]

Roberto, you seem like a smart guy. Can you tell me what mechanism in your psyche causes you to become instantly contrary to all other posts unless definitively backed by a reputable link or attachment. Yet you provide only results with no diagrams or schematics and reference only a small demographic to back your own statements and then become offended when doubted.

I do admire smart people. Sometimes more so from afar. I think you should return to slocloneforums.

I recognize, respect and appreciate that you have enough character to "like" this post. However... It does make me question your agenda. I hope I'm wrong. I've known a few very smart and special people that were amazingly intelligent and, while not always on track with something practical, very intriguing in their way. Unfortunately these people were unable to acclimate in any social circumstance. Just kinetic energy that never realizes it's potential. Maybe it's part of the human condition, but I always hope to be wrong in these matters now.

[Gaz]

I can see why Roberto was pissed. He created these sims during a good-spirited Amp Garage thread then presumably thought: "Maybe I should share this with the guys at Ampage!" He did, the thread quickly went off topic (due to Gregg's compulsion to point out he has experimented with presence controls. Wooooow.), then the shitshow ensued. I respect many of you, but have hung out at Sloclone enough to know Roberto has more knowledge and bench time with high gain circuits than almost anyone on this planet. If you wanna further ostracize him to inflate your own egos, then it's honestly your loss.

[Gregg]

All I wanted to say is the "nonlinear" 25k presence pot response was due to it's wrong taper. I don't see how this is questioning Roberto's expertise. Then the "argument" was that most companies are using a linear taper pot...
Sorry if said something wrong (although I don't see any) but English is just one of the languages I use so I may not be aware of some of it's nuances.

[The Dude]

Respectfully,

Rereading the thread, it turned "ugly" at post #12 when Roberto used the "T" word. Then more lecturing at post #15. Despite that, many follow up responses were pertinent to the discussion until the "shitshow". I have no beef with anyone here, but let's lay the blame where it belongs. I've no reason to doubt that Roberto is an intelligent person, but learning some forum etiquette might be in order.

[Chuck H]

Indeed! Let us consider that, seeking new horizons, or whatever, a guy (let's say someone who's name rhymes with Roberto) starts participating on a relatively un exploited forum. You know what "I" wouldn't do? Pick the member with more posts and participation than any other member and call him a troll. Just sayin'. Did I mention inaccessible potential? Certainly smart. Certainly a wing nut. I'm having a tough time finding anything "troll" about Enzo's post. It seems to me that Roberto isn't use to accountability and went on the offensive. Guess what? Smart or not we were fine without him and we'll BE fine without him.