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  • Preamp too loud

    Hello everybody.

    Very long time since i posted here, and equally long time since I built anything, but now I have completed my amp nr 4 and need some help.

    The amp is a copy of a Marshall Plexi (Like Ceriatone Plexi 50 Lead) right up to the power tubes. The power tubes are a pair of 6L6's in UL - cathode biased. (Just have to change something, right? ) And it sounds great!

    The problem is that the preamp is too loud. The volume controls works more or less like on/off switches, and anything above 2 = overdrive. Wether it's the PI or the power tubes that distort I don't really know, I don't have a scope. But the amp plays pretty loud.

    What I've tried so far:

    Double checked that the volume pots are audio taper.
    Lowering the voltage to the first preamp tube
    Lowering the voltage to both preamp tubes
    In both cases I added a 10k resistor in the PSU in series with the ones allready there. This didn't help.
    I tried a master volume pot after the EQ. The preamp doesn't distort before the volume pots are way up.

    The PI cathode resistor tail is 470-10k-4k7 and the Presence is the "newer" 1987-design with a 22k pot.

    Is there a good way to make the PI less sensitive or lower the preamp output, to get more control of things?

    TIA

    Jan

  • #2
    What tap on the output transformer is your feedback resistor connected to? Try the next higher impedance tap. The classic way of reducing gain is to change the preamp tubes to 12AT7's or 12AY7.
    WARNING! Musical Instrument amplifiers contain lethal voltages and can retain them even when unplugged. Refer service to qualified personnel.
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    • #3
      What's the 4k7 resistor you mention? If feedback, it should be 47k.

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      • #4
        Thank you for the replies.

        I'm using the 8ohm tap (highest) for feedback. Feedback resistor is 100k.
        The 4k7 resistor is in place of the 4k7 Presence pot. I'm using a 0.1uF cap and a 22k pot for Presence as fi the standard JCM800 amps do.

        I don't have a 12AY7, but I found a 12AT7 on the bottom of a box. I ended up putting it in the phase inverter. This helped a lot! The amp is still hot, so I might try to find a lower gain tube for the first preamp stage.

        Thanks for helping.

        Jan

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