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  • Adding FX loop to 5G9 - locating sockets

    I have decided with that I will do the 5G9 for my next build, but add an FX loop (instead of building a Princeton 6G2 style amp with an extra nine pin socket for a single tube reverb). That way I can plug in an FX reverb unit at-will later on. I will save the single-tube reverb project for a subsequent build.

    So... I can run the FX send to a plain 1/4" socket tapped off the signal path after the .02uF coupling cap that follows the parallel volume controls.

    I can make the FX return using a switching socket, and wire it so that the FX return socket is bypassed if there is no plug inserted. I will put an additional .02uF blocking cap in the signal path followed by 1M resistor to ground in this part of the return signal path (but wired so that this setup is bypassed when there is no plug inserted). This additonal blocking cap and resistor would prevent accidental DC entering the signal path from a malfunctioning FX unit, and the 1M resistor would provide the right bias to ensure the FX unit is functioning at the same potential w.r.t. ground as the amp is. (At least that's how I think it works?).

    I am not proposing to add any extra gain stages in the FX send or return parts of the loop in the amp (partly because I don't think I want the extra complexity, partly because I don't really think that extra gain stage in the FX loop is really necessary, and partly because I don't think I have enough tube sockets/Volts amps rating in my PT, to run a tube-driven FX loop gain stage. Incidentally my PT has a 50V bias winding, but this will be utilised on the fixed bias part of the circuit, so I also don't know if it would have enough juice left over to cater for FET-driven FX loop gain stages).

    Before I start drilling holes and bending-up the chassis aluminium sheet-metal, I would like some feedback on the FX loop idea - namely, will this work?

    Secondly I would also like some feedback on the attached control panel layout diagram.

    In the attached layout diagram, I have the FX loop sockets situated about 1" away from the 6.3VAC pilot light (which is a standard vintage fender pilot light socket). The Snd and Ret sockets themselves are 7/8" apart.

    Are these distances adequate to prevent cross-talk/unwanted coupling entering the signal path (esp from the 6.3VAC source)?

    Or would I possibly need to put a steel L-bracket between the FX sockets and the pilot light assembly?

    Comments please. :-)
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    "I have never had to invoke a formula to fight oscillation in a guitar amp."- Enzo

  • #2
    If anyone has an answer sugestion on this question, please feel free to chip in. Cheers
    Building a better world (one tube amp at a time)

    "I have never had to invoke a formula to fight oscillation in a guitar amp."- Enzo

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    • #3
      Sometime soon, someone will answer this I suppose... aye?
      Building a better world (one tube amp at a time)

      "I have never had to invoke a formula to fight oscillation in a guitar amp."- Enzo

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      • #4
        On the topic of adding a fx loop to a 5g9, wouldn't you want to come off of the volume pot, then into the .022 that leads into the PI? Not after the .022 of the PI?

        I have had the idea of adding a fx loop to this circuit too.

        Hopefully we can get some responses.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by topbrent View Post
          On the topic of adding a fx loop to a 5g9, wouldn't you want to come off of the volume pot, then into the .022 that leads into the PI? Not after the .022 of the PI?
          I was going to take the send from after the coupling cap (after the Vol) and add another 22nF coupling cap after the return (which was going to be before the PI) with a 1M to ground after that.

          I decided to build the amp stock first (apart from an adjustable bias) and get it running before tackling the FX loop idea if I was brave enough after that. I was mainly worried about where I was intending to locate the FX loop sockets (seeing as how I think the place with the most real estate on the chassis I came up with, is between the depth pot and the pilot lamp) staying an inch away from the pilot (worried 'bout 6VAC hum).
          Building a better world (one tube amp at a time)

          "I have never had to invoke a formula to fight oscillation in a guitar amp."- Enzo

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          • #6
            My choice would be to use shielded cable and two of the four input jacks - IMO they're utterly redundant - no new holes.

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