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  • Axis Sound NH-100 - baffling problem

    HELP!!! I'm on the verge of losing my marbles here.

    First, the background:
    For the last couple of weeks I've been working on a friend's 1969 Axis Sound NH100 amplifier: giving it a complete overhaul, as it hasn't been used for over 10 years (and the last time he did use it, it toasted the screen grid resistor on one of the output valves, causing a small fire! ).

    There's almost no technical info to be found about these amps. The only thing I've seen is a comment from a Plexi-Palace forum member that they were "Simms-Watts clones". In the case of this particular example, though, even that description doesn't hold true, as it appears to have been modified a fair bit over the years. For one thing, the Simms-Watts amps used an ultra-linear OPT, whereas this one has a standard type.

    Here's a link to a schematic I've drawn which shows the actual amp that's lying on my bench now:

    NH_100 Schematic

    To download the file, right-click the link and choose 'Save target as...' (Windows) or Ctrl-click it and select 'Download linked file' (Mac OSX).

    I've been through the beast from top to bottom and got it working. I've also installed a few little refinements (such as adjustable bias for each half of the push-pull). At the point of clipping it's producing a pretty healthy 140W.

    Now for The Problem:
    As you can see from the schematic, the EL34s are run with 534V on the anodes. According to all the usual sources (such as Weber's bias calculator etc), in order to set it to a nice 70% dissipation for typical Class AB operation, the quiescent current per valve should be around 33mA.

    However, when this amp is running 'normally', the QC figure that shows up on my Fluke meter is scarily high.
    I mean, how does 75mA per valve grab you?

    "Back off the bias!" I hear you cry - but if I do that until the quiescent current is down to the 33mA level, I end up with the output stage in extremely cold Class B, with little output power and lots of dog-leg crossover distortion.

    The oddest part of all is that if I adjust the output stage to run at its 'normal' 75mA per valve, it behaves as if it's perfectly happy! Even when it's being driven to the point of clipping, there's no sign of stress to the output valves: no redplating...nothing.

    At one point, I wondered if my Fluke 25 meter was giving false readings, but I've checked it against another meter and they both tell the same story. Those valves really are passing that much current - a situation which, according to the textbooks, shouldn't be possible. I mean, just do the maths: these babies are running at 40W plate dissipation even before you apply any signal!

    FWIW, I checked each of the output valves on my AVO CT160 tester before starting work on the amp, and they're all healthy.

    So that's it, folks. I'm stumped. Have a good hard look at that schematic, will you? See anything suspicious? Any little detail/blindingly obvious fault that I've missed? For heaven's sake, someone: throw me some ideas before I go nuts..!

  • #2
    Originally posted by Vortexion View Post
    However, when this amp is running 'normally', the QC figure that shows up on my Fluke meter is scarily high.
    I mean, how does 75mA per valve grab you?
    Let me understand what you are saying, you're reading the bias current by reading the voltage from either TP1 or TP2 to ground? Your meter is reading 150mV when the amp is running fine, and when you set it for 66mV it sounds cold?

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    • #3
      That's pretty much it, Bill. When I wind the bias back such that the cathode resistor reading is down to 66mV, the 'scope shows a very badly under-biased result, all crossover distortion.

      BTW: I've since taken a more accurate shunt measurement across the OPT primary windings with the amp in its 'normal' mode, and they show 109mA per side - not quite as bad as originally thought, but still way over the top. The rest of the 145mA figure will be screen grid current.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Vortexion View Post
        When I wind the bias back such that the cathode resistor reading is down to 66mV, the 'scope shows a very badly under-biased result, all crossover distortion.
        How accurate are the 1 ohm cathode resistor values? If they are off value it will skew your bias readings.

        What are the actual measured plate and screen voltage on the output tubes?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 52 Bill View Post
          How accurate are the 1 ohm cathode resistor values? If they are off value it will skew your bias readings.
          Brand new 2 Watt metal film resistors - 1 percent tolerance.

          Originally posted by 52 Bill View Post
          What are the actual measured plate and screen voltage on the output tubes?
          Plate: 534
          Screen: 510

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          • #6
            534 volts seems overly accurate somehow. WHat does that voltage drop to when ther is 150mv across either 1 ohm resistor? What does it rise to when you drop the bias to where there is 66mv across either one?

            You are not reading from TP1 to TP2 are you? Oh, nevermind that would result in low readings, not high.

            So you have 20ma apiece of screen current?
            Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

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            • #7
              LATE BREAKING NEWS...

              OK, this time I'm REALLY gobsmacked.

              In order to take some photos for my records, I've just turned the chassis right-side up, given it a dust, re-seated the EL34s etc. I then turned it upside down again and hooked it up to my test rig, to do one final check and set the bias before I give it back to my friend.

              Wanna hear the big news? It's behaving PERFECTLY NORMALLY now - i.e. producing textbook quiescent current figures and putting out a good, fairly faithful sine wave at full power, with the bias set to 35mA per valve.

              So, the great mystery now is why it was misbehaving for so long, and how come it has magically cured itself? When I turned it right-way up for the pictures, I did give it a good old shake to make sure there were no little bits of fluff or solder debris lurking in there. I wonder if some such item had been acting as a fairly high resistance path to earth, thus throwing all my measurments out of whack....? I have no idea: I'm just very glad it's sorted itself out. Let's hope it stays that way.

              BTW, here are a few pics of the beast for you. You can see what an odd creature she is! The first two pics show her on the bench, in the first week of the job. Notice how close together those EL34s are, and how the mains TX, OPT and choke are all shoved up together, with all their windings in the same orientation - an invitation to hum, or what? Also, isn't that one huge mother of a mains tranny?





              I couldn't do much about the transformers, but we decided to sort out the valve spacing. My friend made a galvanised steel plate for the purpose:



              I cut a long rectangular hole in the chassis (which is made of aluminium, by the way) and fitted the plate, so she now looks like this:



              The green and yellow things are bias test points. There are also bias adjustment pots there, but they're a bit hard to see in the picture.

              Finally, this is what she does with a 1kHz sine wave at full power into a 4 Ohm dummy load. It's pretty much the same story across the audio band, with a gentle roll-off above 4kHz:



              Many thanks to 52 Bil and Enzo for taking the trouble to apply your minds to my problem. Much appreciated!

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